sundance
28 posts
Nov 05, 2006
6:27 AM
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hey guys,
I got a little dog that my daughter loves dearly. problem is the little *:)#ard catches my young birds when they are still too un trained to alway go in quickly. Last night I had 1 that just doesnt like to follow the rest in right away, I really had High hopes for this bird as it was turning out to be a good kitter in the air, developing some nice short spins and was just a good loking bird all round, nice size, short beak short tail, everything I like. except he dont go in right away. well, he didnt anyway. now he digesting in her dogs gut I suppose.
any thought on how to break him of this would be appreciated.If it were any other dog I could pat his head with one hand and pull the trigger with the other hand but like I said , my daughter loves this dog.
sundance
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Santandercol
394 posts
Nov 05, 2006
6:33 AM
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Hmmm,
Bummer.I guess put the doggie in the house or tie him up when you're flying birds.If your birds land on the ground when they come in,always always gently chase them up so they land on the kitbox.They'll soon get the idea it's not a good idea to land on the ground.
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Kelly
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belle
12 posts
Nov 05, 2006
7:31 AM
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tie one of the dead birds around the dog's neck for a week or so, he will hate pigeons after that. Old farm trick.
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Fr.mike
187 posts
Nov 05, 2006
4:24 PM
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I had a dog that liked to kill chickens I tied a bird on his coller with copper wire and left him outside for about a week until the thing rotted on his coller. you should have seen him clawing and scratching to get that thing off but the copper wire was secure and that rotten bird wasnt going anywhere. I also cut his food by half and wouldnt talk to him and ignored him. after that i would show him a dead bird and he would drop his head and sheepishly walk away.
I also had beagles and they got to chaseing deer---so I shot a deer and skined it out and put the head and skin in a plastic barrel with a vented plastic lid put the beagles in one at a time and rolled them down a hill. for about a week I would lift the deer head out of the barrel to show the dogs-- believe me they wanted nothing to do with deer again. If anybody thinks this was cruel you should have seen these poor dogs after 2-3 days of running deer. they were bloody head to toe--there foot pads were worn bloody raw andthey would be sick and vomitting ther food. the barrel was a safe and humane way to fix this problem. dogs lrarn by assocation-- you have to creativly get this dog to asso. pigieons as some thing to be avoided. I also used one of those boat horns that you here at football games to teach a dog that its not fun to get into the trash--I hid where he couldnt see me and put a tasty morsel in the trash and just waited----It didnt take long! when he came for the goodie BLAST!!!! ---He never saw me (Which is Key because I didnt want him to asso. the awful noise with me just the trash. use your imagination you can have the birds and the pooch.
Fr. Mike
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Fr.mike
188 posts
Nov 05, 2006
4:31 PM
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P.S. maybe alittle amonia on a dead bird would help Remember just a few drops throw him up and let the dog grab him --- and 'OH MY are those Pigeons NASTY'!!!LOL!
Fr. Mike
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
781 posts
Nov 05, 2006
8:08 PM
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Three ways I would choose:
1. Bust his ass with a broom handle every time he even looked nasty towards a pigeon.
2. Get a shock collar and give it a little jolt every time it trys to get after a bird.
3. Get some Ropel and put it on a dead bird or a cull and let the dog get a taste of that stuff, it won't like pigeon anymore.
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George Ruiz
117 posts
Nov 05, 2006
8:36 PM
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I tried the bird around the coller trick with my last dog and he chewed the bird off his coller and ate it .
so much for that ,I finally just let him cull whatever landed in the yard the only disadvantage he had was that I put a few tags that rattled and made noise on his coller when he walked so he could never sneak up on the birds anymore.
he never cought one after that, the birds would hear him coming and just fly away.
George
Last Edited by George Ruiz on Nov 05, 2006 8:39 PM
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fhtfire
615 posts
Nov 05, 2006
11:22 PM
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Here is what you do...and it worked 100% with one of my dogs.....Go to you local tractor supply or feed store or go on line and get a cheap electic fence...like they use for cattle or sheep...get the cheapest one because it does not matter how many miles of fence you will use....LOL!! then get a roll of electric fence wire...plug in the electric fence controler...run your wire around you loft or kit boxes....tie a cull to the hot wire and let it hang there...when that dog takes a bite of that bird it will get a shock and NEVER eat a pigeon again. Make sure when you run the wire you tie the wire to insulators or non conductors...to hold the wire in place....the dog will also learn that the wires will zap him too. My dod will actually move to another area when the pigeons land..it thinks the bird shocked it and it thinks the wire shocked it...Now that the dog is trained to the wire..you can wrap that same wire (de-energized) around bushes that you want to keep the dog away from or anything for that matter..just one wire will do...my wife just puts one strand of wire around her big potted plants in the back yard and the dog no longer digs in them...trust me it works....they will relate the pigeons and the wire to a shock...you can de-energize the wire and it will still keep away the old dog..if it gets brave energize it again for a day or two. Magic...pure magic
rock and ROLL
Paul
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RedBarron
4 posts
Nov 06, 2006
1:29 AM
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Hi!
This may be a little off the mark! but I have 3 cats and as you know cats and pigeons dont mix well!
Well having this insight (LoL) I trained my cats to understand that I like my pigeons! What I did with all my cats is that I got 3 or 4 culls and locked them in a cage with my cats! I watched them an to my amazement the cats were affraid of the birds! "because the birds were flying erractically around the cage causing a fit for the cats! The pigeons were flapping there wings and hitting the cats causing the cats to shy away! I did it for 30 minutes a day for a week! and it worked! They will not even come close to them while they are out! All they do is kill the mice around my loft which I dont mind!
As one of the forum members said! you gotta be inventive! every situation is different!
Kevin Kennamore
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Velo99
651 posts
Nov 06, 2006
5:03 AM
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My dog`s job is to keep em off the ground and she knows it.She is the protector of the flock. When she does catch one she puts her foot on it and looks at me to come and get it. Three catches so far and a few feathers were the only casualties.
good dog
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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belle
13 posts
Nov 06, 2006
5:57 AM
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I have a English Setter her name is "belle" that has the same job she points at the birds as they are going in the kit box, and they won't land on the ground because she under the door. But some times I will get a dumb bird and it will land on the ground and walk around her and drive her crazy. But she just points at it so I have to go over there and kick the dumb bird up.
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rosebudrollers
29 posts
Nov 06, 2006
6:39 AM
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I guess if you guys had pet elephants in the back yard you would want to grow daiseys.
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bman
80 posts
Nov 06, 2006
8:11 AM
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LMAO-Hey Rosebud,
I guess I am in that catergory.I raise bird dogs DAH!
Just confine the dog when the birds are out.No contact no problem!
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Ron
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sundance
29 posts
Nov 06, 2006
5:44 PM
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wow, where do I start?
ok, FR. mike, he is a housedog too so a dead bird around his neck is out of the Question. Yuk! But I have heard of this working like the dog chasing deer thing.
George, I hinda like the bell idea, but again, he is inside at night and would be too noisy.
Paul, the wire Idea may be usable if all else fails. Due to the expence I will try it last if necessary.
Brian, what is ropel? Mosquito spray? That may just do it. I was concidering the super volcano type hot sauce on a cull bird anyways. A buddy at work suggested it today.
Nick, If it were any other dog, it would already be gone, but like I said, my daughter loves this dog as much as I love my birds.Culling the dog would make since, 22 shells are cheap and quick.
And Rosebud? HUH? what can I say to logic like that? I appologise for caring for all my animals and am just trying to figure how to keep both peasefully...LOL! Just kidding, I cant appologise for that....
thanks for all the suggestions men. I will try to deter from the taste first. If ropel dont work maybe hot sauce will.
sundance
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katyroller
69 posts
Nov 09, 2006
7:07 PM
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The only suggestion I would have for you is to make sure you are outside when the birds are out. Put the dog on leash so you can control it and when it goes after your birds correct the dog. Make sure you get up close to the birds but be ready to administer a correction. I hate birds landing on the ground so I use my dog to chase them up. He never really tries to catch them.
I was stationed in the Philippines for 3 years and my wife had a dog that loved to eat the neighbors chickens. Let's just say that dog tasted like chicken when they ate it.
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parlorfancier916
159 posts
Nov 10, 2006
12:36 AM
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does this collar with a dead bird on it really work?
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belle
17 posts
Nov 10, 2006
7:14 AM
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Yes, it works great my trainer had got a new puppy and it would kill his wife's chickens she got some hay string one day and the dog got to love that bird LOL, and a friend that I ride with had got some goats and her old police dog killed one of them and he lived with it's head for a week he dose not like goat any more.I had a dog that thought she liked my chickens and I had one little mean bantam rooster so I picked him up and let her smell it and that little rooster picked her right on her nose and made it belled.
Last Edited by belle on Nov 10, 2006 7:25 AM
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katyroller
71 posts
Nov 10, 2006
6:58 PM
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I don't know about this tying a dead bird to the dogs collar. Kind of reminds me of the rub his nose in his crap to make him quit crapping where you don't want him to, proven not to work by the way. Also what is your daughter going to think when she sees it?
Like I said before, put the dog on a leash and take it to the birds. If the dog shows interest, a hard jerk on the leash and a stern "NO" will get its' attention. Repeat as necessary until you get the desired results. The key will be consistent training until he gets the message. Take him out to the birds with you everyday for a week and you should see some improvement.
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Fr.mike
192 posts
Nov 11, 2006
2:20 PM
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Katyroller-- If you dont think the bird-on -a-coller--will work, I recomend you take the dog, birds,cat, chickens,rabbits in for some good oldfasioned physiotherapy--yessireee, I do it once a month whether they/or I need it or not!!It has helped my dog understand himself.He has realized that its not nice to kill everything that comes threw the yard,and the rabbits concured.but the birds have been struggling with their self image--and the chickens--well we ate them--their imput was-'well'--mute.--JUST-KIDDING!!
Fr. Mike
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belle
20 posts
Nov 11, 2006
5:48 PM
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I do not rub his nose in his crap to make him quit crapping where you don't want him to because it dose not work. But that is a different story then him killing a bird. So since I help train search and rescue dogs, hunting dogs and much more I think I know a thing or two about dogs. So if you have not used a training opinion do not put it down until you have tried it we all do that with the pigeon. I am not saying your way dose not work because that is what I did to my dogs but that way works best when you know what you are doing. I would tell my daughter to stop your dog from eating my birds or I will tie... but she is not my daughter and that is none of my business and I will stay out. I all so was talking to parlor fancier 916 he asked a ? and I told him what I have seen.
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katyroller
72 posts
Nov 11, 2006
6:44 PM
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Hey Guys, All I did was try to suggest a more humane way to fix a problem. Never said the "bird around the neck" trick wouldn't work. Yes, there are more ways than one to skin a cat. I mean while your at it, you could beat the mutt senseless with a stick, shoot it or stuff a dead bird in his mouth and choke him close to death a couple times a week. I'm sure they would all work in the long run.
As far as qualifications to judge a training method or offer a training suggestion, I believe my 10 years as a U.S. Air Force Military Working Dog handler might be a start. I know we don't train bird dogs but we do train dogs for all branches of the U.S. military, foreign militarys and U.S. govt. agencies. I've seen dogs with alot of issues and never once did we fix the problem by using anything close to the "bird around the neck" technique. Ask your neighbors if you have any, wether they think the "bird around the neck" technique will work. Then ask the local animal control officer the same question. Last but not least find a local judge and ask him for his opinion. This should cover all the bases since the animal control officer will be the one that sites you when the neighbors complain and you can convince the judge not to fine you or take the dog(which will solve the original problem).
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belle
22 posts
Nov 11, 2006
7:25 PM
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neighbors what neighbors I don't see my neighbors, Military Working Dog handler that is the kind of trainers I spend most of time with I have done a lot with NAPWDA it is always a lot of fun to watch people getting bit LOL. A hard jerk on the leash and a stern "NO" do you mean like a k9 cop will do because I heard a lot of people call that inhumane? I would become a drug sniffing dog trainer but I am a much better horse trainer I am part of a mounted patrol that just made 2nd in the us but none of the big city's were there like NY. Me and my horse found a handicap girl on Halloween that was cool.
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katyroller
74 posts
Nov 11, 2006
7:48 PM
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belle, A quick question. A horse has a tough mouth because the rider has heavy hands. Do you switch the bit from a snaffle to a hackamore or do you teach the rider to hold the reins with light hands?
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belle
25 posts
Nov 11, 2006
8:32 PM
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doesn't matter how broke a horse is or how green a horse is a snaffle bit will always work. A hackamore will just make it worse when he becomes dead to the hackamore then what a port the best thing to do is to get a old saddle "he could mark it" and tie his head to the right and walk away for about a half a hour or so then on the left side this works great I have done this a lot on. I recommend doing this with a trainer that has knows what he is doing I have heard of a lot of bad story's from people that are not sure of what they are doing. Like my trainer "the best trainers never stop learning" he has been around horses for about his whole life you can visit his web at http://www.markhausman.com/. why dose the rider ride with heavy hands? If it is to stop the horse from going faster then way correct him when he is going slow? If he wants to go fast then make him go faster until he doesn't want to go fast any more and then still make him go even faster for about 10 mins or so but when he goes the speed you want then give him loose rains. Works best in hotter weather. train your horse to want to stand still a horse that in standing still is a safe horse. Once he learns to stand there he will also stop better.
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Fr.mike
193 posts
Nov 12, 2006
10:53 AM
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Hay, kt,belle,--I Was just KIDDING!!!didnt mean to sir up crap--You know horses dogs etc. AGAIN--Just KIDDING!!
Fr. Mike
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Heyyou
62 posts
Nov 12, 2006
11:26 AM
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aversion therapy is the only way to break a dog of doing something you don't want him to do, it can be gentle and repetative or a shock color or anything else as long as it is uncomfortable for the dog, kids too. The dog soon gets the idea that it is not a good thing and has uncomfortable consequences and stops doing it. I once had a male dog that liked to pee on my wheels. I hooked up the electric fence with a clip to the inside of the favorite wheel when I got home one time and he lifted the leg and whammo. He howled some but never ever went near any wheels after that. Come to think of it, he stopped lifting his leg, which suited my fine.
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belle
27 posts
Nov 12, 2006
2:29 PM
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Hey you asked a ? about horses I just did what I do best. E colors work great I use one funny story peeing on a electric fence we always kid about that but no one brave or dumb enough to do it.LOL
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sundance
31 posts
Nov 12, 2006
6:45 PM
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WHOA !!!...
I just thought maybe some of you might of had the same problem at some time and maybe know how to fix it..LOL
Up to today I hadnt done anything major , I tried the hot sauce on a dead bird, but he seamed to like it. go figure..
Today he got anouther one, caught it and had it dead before I knew it. Last year he got a couple and I scoulded him but I thoughtmaybe he was just helping to keep them off the ground for me, cause I dont care for that anyway... but, now this year he has gotten more than the hawks. HUH ??
anyway, today was the last straw. Now heis outside in my chicken pen. I got a few real cocky little banties. Lets see how he fares with them ina small 10 x 10 pen. I aint raising rollers to feed this dog no more, no more, no more.
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Santandercol
406 posts
Nov 13, 2006
6:37 AM
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Sundance,
Sounds like time to send that doggie to another home without pigeons.If you're in the market for another dog,Australian Terriers are great farmers,house dogs,buddies.We have three of them and when I let the chickens free range,Gordo loves to sniff their butts and he accepts being pecked in the nose by the rooster.
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Kelly
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Mongrel Lofts
214 posts
Nov 13, 2006
7:21 AM
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Sundance,
My grandpa always used to say.. Son, don't ever get a dog that is smarter than you.. And Boy, there are some guys that should just never own a dog for that very reason!! I'm not sure what he meant.. LOL
He also told me, one dog is a mans best friend.. Two dogs, are just that, two dogs!!
Not sure how any of this applys to your dog problem,, but thats what Grandpa said.. KGB
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rollerman132
21 posts
Nov 13, 2006
9:27 AM
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When my dog killed one of my kit birds, I beat the shit out of him with the dead bird and then told him NO showing him the bird. After that he wouldn’t even look at the birds.
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1906 posts
Jul 13, 2008
6:44 AM
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Roller man 132......lol
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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rollerman132
318 posts
Jul 13, 2008
7:18 PM
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Rudy
He still doesn’t look at my birds LOL.
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1911 posts
Jul 13, 2008
7:52 PM
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He still remembers......lol
Good Doggy.........
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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cvr(FR3rd)
100 posts
Jul 16, 2008
2:58 PM
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get rid of it or just tie it up
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Fernando Ruelas
CVR
Ruelas loft
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sundance
637 posts
Jul 16, 2008
4:04 PM
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Just to put this to rest... I still got the dog... He belongs to my daughter, there for, I cannot get rid of him. I wont do that to her because she loves the little b@$terd...
But the good news is he hasnt eaten any birds this year and I think The little overnight stay with the bante rooster done the trick last year.
Good to see some of us pull up the old archives from time to time though. I`m sure there are still things I havent read yet. But will...
Oh ya, Fernando, I personally will not tie up a dog. If I cant let it run the yard I might as well not have it. Thats just cruel to a dog. My belief...
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
Last Edited by on Jul 16, 2008 4:06 PM
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CVRC
280 posts
Jul 16, 2008
4:06 PM
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build a kennel and just lock him up when the birds are out...
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Cristian Castro
CM Loft
CVR
WWW.COACHELLAVALLEYROLLERS.COM
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