MILO
26 posts
Nov 23, 2006
7:57 PM
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What?
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
843 posts
Nov 23, 2006
8:08 PM
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Hey Andrew, I am happy you are posting, but lets keep this type of post to ourselves. I see no redeeming value in threads of this kind.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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RB&R
86 posts
Nov 23, 2006
8:18 PM
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Tony, if you feel this way than you can delete this post.
Andrew
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
845 posts
Nov 23, 2006
8:20 PM
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Hey Andrew, don't take it the wrong way. I just don't see how that question and any responses was gonna help you or the readers. That's all.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Velo99
666 posts
Nov 24, 2006
4:50 AM
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Methinks Ol Andrew might have had a recent seperation from his cash at the hands of a feather merchant. He is trying to understand how this could happen to him,and just why won`t someone just give him a few of their best stock birds after all it is JUST A HOBBY.
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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Santandercol
436 posts
Nov 24, 2006
6:07 AM
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Kenny,
You never fail to make me laugh!!
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Kelly
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RB&R
87 posts
Nov 24, 2006
7:41 AM
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V99,
did you just sayin that i spend too much cash on PIGeo..Helllno, you're wrong......No more than 100 buck.
I had never buy a bird that would cost me couple hundred bucks. i only bought from the swap meet with couple bucks. There are people just can't quite to spend money on birds. and spend their time on their backyard instead with their family. and never think of their family first before his pigeon..After all it's just a Hobby...
Last Edited by on Nov 24, 2006 7:54 AM
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J_Star
696 posts
Nov 24, 2006
8:57 AM
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Andrew, some people become obsessed with things. It doesn’t matter if it is pigeons or cars or whatever. Those people who take things to an extreme by spending allot of money that they don't have or have but it is better spent somewhere else that should be spent on is absolutely wrong. If you have the extra cash and want to enhance your birds by purchasing from others then that is fine. If you don’t then start saving a few bulks here and there and you will end up having what you want. For about $200 you can purchase couple pairs from Tony, which are known to be excellent quality rollers, and breed them using fosters to triple the output. In no time you would have a kit of good quality birds and start your selection, evaluation and culling to only keep the best. Then and only then you will join the group of fanciers who enjoy a loft full of excellent birds and then and only then you can say that with little money you were able to create a family of excellent pigeons with the help of Tony. Then and only then you will have a greater appreciation to your birds because you bought them with your hard earned cash and were not just given to you. You will feel confident, strong and proud of your loft and your achievements. You don’t need to spend $2000 for kit of birds to start; common sense and logical thinking will get you there. Once that is established, then you will need to keep them protected and away from thieves, sky and land predators and harms way. Spending time with your birds is as important as spending time with your family and friends. Each requires and needs quality time from you to keep things in harmony, otherwise, you are heading for self destruction. Please don’t go looking for freebees because the old adjure say “you only get what you pay for”. For that reason, getting free birds don’t get you to a world class roller loft if you don’t have the network of true friends who can help you get there without spending money. Although, that doesn’t mean you have a free ride. Rather,that means you have to return the favor back to them in the near future. There is nothing free in this world or a free ride…my friend. That is my take….Best of luck.
Jay
Last Edited by on Nov 24, 2006 9:01 AM
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MILO
28 posts
Nov 24, 2006
10:08 AM
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Here's a simple formula.
Travel. Find best birds you can. When identified, pick two from the air. Ask the man if you can purchase the best two in the kit. If not possible, something off the parents. Go home. Smash the piggy bank on the kitchen floor. Take money. Bring to same guy. Say thank you. Take birds home.
In the event he claims they are not available, wait until they are. Don't forget to say thank you anyway.
Bullet proof formula.
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Velo99
667 posts
Nov 24, 2006
4:35 PM
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Milo,
I waited 7-8 months for a pair of breeders to become available. Paid pretty dearly for the pair but still felt like I got a bargain. The pair in question is a click pair. Produces the goods. Bottom line is takes connections,and a lot of talking and waiting for just the right time.
Breeder was slimming down his gene pool and I was in the right place at the right time with just the right need for a caring fancier to have a bit of pity on me and sell this pair.
This year was my turn to spread the wealth. I handed over 25 kit birds and 12 pairs of breeders to my roller friends,no charge.
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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katyroller
102 posts
Nov 24, 2006
6:00 PM
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Velo99, I will attest to your generosity because I was one of the recipients of several of those breeder pairs. By the way, I still have those pairs and I am flying 8 youngsters off them. :)
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fhtfire
664 posts
Nov 24, 2006
8:05 PM
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Man Velo...that must have been on cool dude to get you a nice click pair of proven breeders...man....that guy is the best...LOL
rock and roll
Paul
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dave
204 posts
Nov 24, 2006
9:38 PM
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RB&R, if it is just a hobby than why does your club fly for money?
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
848 posts
Nov 24, 2006
9:53 PM
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DOH!
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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RB&R
89 posts
Nov 24, 2006
10:41 PM
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Dave,
Flying for money, it's something that will make us want to improve our birds. and it's a way to understand them well. you probably misunderstood what i'm trying to discuss here.
All i'm saying is that selling expensive birds might be another cause a person become thief.
Last Edited by on Nov 24, 2006 10:50 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
819 posts
Nov 24, 2006
10:55 PM
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Expensive pigeons don't make a person become a thief. Lack of morals, self respect, respect for others and an irresponsible and wreckless attitude generally bolstered by an unstable upbringing are the root causes for someone becoming a thief. Not to mention them being complete pieces of shit and a burden to society.
PS--Can you please elaborate on how flying for money helps a person to understand their birds better?
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knaylor
311 posts
Nov 25, 2006
12:06 AM
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BR&R, you say that you fly for money to try and improve your birds?? These are the same birds you have bought for a couple of bucks from the Flea Market?? BS You have Dave right close by who is one of the top flyers in the state. He has many times offered to help you out and you keep refusing. I wonder why??? LOL
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knaylor
312 posts
Nov 25, 2006
12:07 AM
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All i'm saying is that selling expensive birds might be another cause a person become thief. You cant be serious????
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MILO
29 posts
Nov 25, 2006
1:27 AM
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I'll say it again...
What???
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RB&R
90 posts
Nov 25, 2006
1:59 AM
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what???? RRRR
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bman
113 posts
Nov 25, 2006
2:46 AM
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Hey Brian.
Here all this time I thought it was society's fault for not
giving them everything thet wanted for free.It surely can't
be THERE fault.LOL
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Ron
Last Edited by on Nov 25, 2006 2:47 AM
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RB&R
91 posts
Nov 25, 2006
7:12 AM
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It's just my opinion...guys....
knaylor,
i don't really have time for real competition yet. i know Dave is good guy. i'll wait till that time coming.
Last Edited by on Nov 25, 2006 7:22 AM
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Mr.JX
24 posts
Nov 25, 2006
11:03 AM
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Its the parents fault. No the dam video games.lol
I think that its the time that you put into your rollers that make them expensive. Jim
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JMUrbon
72 posts
Nov 25, 2006
11:18 PM
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Man thats the damdest thing I ever heard. Expesive birds make a guy become a thief. I think that common sense tells me that A thief would steal them weather they were expensive or not just so he wouldn't have to pay for them. Not even taking into consideration the amount of hard work a breeder has put into them. Not to mention the fact that what they were is gone now because the thief knows absolutely nothing about the breeding heritage behind them so basically just throws them in a pen, or worse cuts the bands off and takes them to the swap meet to disperse to many different handlers. I say handlers because anybody that is looking for real proven stock is not going to be at the swap meet so the birds are going to somebody that doesn't have a clue what to do with them usually.JMO though. Joe Urbon
Last Edited by on Nov 25, 2006 11:21 PM
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dave
205 posts
Nov 25, 2006
11:28 PM
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You can not improve your birds by going to the swapmeet every weekend and buying birds. If this is just a hobby than no need to fly for money, just for the fun of it. I have offered birds for free and they were stolen. My nephew has given away birds for free and his were stolen so I don't get the point where expensive birds will make people steal.
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knaylor
315 posts
Nov 26, 2006
2:42 AM
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Hey Joe what they do is steal the birds and a little while later they go on sites like this and ask info about the birds??? Its really sad.
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JMUrbon
74 posts
Nov 26, 2006
11:09 AM
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Should have thier nuts cut off Kevin. Joe
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