rollerman132
36 posts
Dec 06, 2006
11:50 AM
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is red bar under the spread gene? I was told it was a blue bar under other gene. what is it that makes look silver?
Last Edited by on Dec 06, 2006 11:51 AM
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Velo99
698 posts
Dec 06, 2006
2:30 PM
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As far as I know the original color and markings on the rock dove were blue bar.It is the original and most others are factors of it. Red is right under blue with the same type of markings. Most blue and red bars aren`t masking anything. They are the top of the heap in their respective colors. My knowledge of genetics is rather limited, as I don`t pay that much attention to color. I like to be surprised when they feather out.
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
844 posts
Dec 06, 2006
3:07 PM
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It is difficult for me to determine exactly what you are trying to ask.
There are three basic foundation colors in pigeons
Ash red--most dominant
Blue--most common
brown--least common
Their order of dominance is shown above.
A red bar is an Ash Red bird expressing the pattern gene for bar.
Spread isn't a color but rather a modifier gene which takes the tail bar color and covers the entire bird with it.
You can have a birds which is Ash Red//bar/bar//spread= what most refer to as a Lavender but some look dunnish in color and some, especially if they are homozygous for the spread modifier, will show a faint bar.
Again, I am sort of at a loss as to what exactly you are trying to ask but I hope this clears it up just a bit.
If your key reference is to Spread, remember that spread isn't a color. It will however change the base color to something that you will see as being very different (ie. a blue bar turned into a black self). The bird is still a blue bar but it just looks black as the tail bar color has been "smeared" all over the bird.
Ash red birds don't have tail bars, so the result is more of a "clear-ish silvery color".
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rollerman132
37 posts
Dec 06, 2006
4:21 PM
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I guess what I’m trying to find out what gives an ash red bar its pale almost silver color. Some one told me that it was a mutation that made a blue bar changes its bars to red and its main body to a pale silver color.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
846 posts
Dec 06, 2006
8:54 PM
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Well at some point waaaaaaay back in time the rock dove (from which all domestic pigeons go back to) mutated at some point, most likely at a point when man intervened and could try to replicate the new found color. In a way, your friend was right, but it isn't about the bird changing, it is about somewhere along the line there was a bird which had a genetic mutation and reproduced it. This is how pretty much all colors and types come about over eons of time. The color Ash Red is a simple mutation, just as is brown and they both came from a blue pigeon at some point.
The color of an ash red bar, especially in our rollers, will vary from bird to bird depending on what other modifiers are involved. The appearance you described is simply the inherent expression of what the genes for ash red produce. Typically the ones that look nearly all silvery color with red bars (often labeled as silver red bars in breeds like racing homers) simply lack any color modifiers or intensifiers.
Brian.
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rollerman132
38 posts
Dec 06, 2006
9:23 PM
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Thanks Brian
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J_Star
717 posts
Dec 07, 2006
10:49 AM
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Red bars are my favorite especially the silver birds. Some of them I call ‘strawberry’ because the red color runs on the edges of the feathers on their back and wings that they look like a strawberry.
Jay
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