Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
886 posts
Dec 08, 2006
12:27 PM
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Hey Hector, I hear you.
Okay fellas, is your best spinner which has been put into your breeding program producing birds which are the same, better, average or not so good? Have you tried it on more than one mate?
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
855 posts
Dec 08, 2006
12:44 PM
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I don't have a "best spinner". If in the air they are good and please me and make me think "I want more of that", then they get a shot in the breeding tank. The birds that have been in my stock pens for a couple of years were given that opportunity because I thought they possessed something in particular within the basic package requirements that I would like to add to that particular family.
If I had to pick one bird that has bred more spinners at least it's quality in the air and above, it would be a black bar hen I raised about five years ago.
Brian.
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nicksiders
908 posts
Dec 08, 2006
2:42 PM
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What I put in my breeding loft is based on tangables(performance issues) and some intangables(my precieved notions of intellience and attitude). I put all of this in my pea brain and shake it up; become a blabering idiot; tongue tied moron and place the winner in my breeding loft.
Beyond the performance I am looking for that "look" I have tried to describe and I can't do it. I have even practiced it on my wife and daughter and they just look at me as though I am some kind of alien. So, I would rather not discuss any further.
The answer is "yes" I have NOT stocked my best performer on occasion because they didn't have that "look" that I am "looking" for......just some mumble-jumble ain't it? Stupidity is not curable; only ignorance is. I am hoping for ignorance.
I opologise to those people who believed I was a sain individual before this post.
Nick
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fhtfire
696 posts
Dec 08, 2006
8:25 PM
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No.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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RB&R
98 posts
Dec 08, 2006
8:51 PM
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So, your best spinner is not your best breeder. i have a question, so you're saying that it's doesn't matter how good they are, doesn't mean that they can produce good birds. Do you believe that sometime best spinner might skip a generation. Which mean that his/her offsprings will not spin but the next follow generation will spin.
Andrew
Last Edited by on Dec 08, 2006 8:52 PM
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fhtfire
698 posts
Dec 08, 2006
8:58 PM
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Just remember it is the combination of both parents genes...so you can have you best spinner not produce with your best hen....or cock...but you can have good spinner produce champions.....you odds are for sure better breeding from you best spinner...but that does not mean that he or she can produce..sometimes they only produce good birds on certain mates...remember...if it was that easy...everyone would have great birds...lol! My best producing pair....were not my best birds....The cock was a little unstable at a young age and would bump sometimes....but was a super star in the air....the hen was not deep at all but fast as a hell..and snapped out...both birds kitted like glue....I have produced so many good rounds from that pair.....I have had maybe a couple hit the ground....out of maybe 25 or more rounds.....2 of the 4 birds I stocked last year were from this pair and my A-team that I lost had 5 birds from this pair...and right now...my A-team has 5 more from this pair....it is rare ...but it happens.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Hector Coya
21 posts
Dec 08, 2006
9:01 PM
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Hey Tony
Most of my breeders where my best rollers at one time or another,
allthough my best or #1 cock has never been flown,stocked out of the nest only becouse his father died at the same time and he was the last of that cock,hes a good producer like his father was.
Hector C
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Ballrollers
511 posts
Dec 08, 2006
9:06 PM
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Absolutely. Four out of the six best producing pairs in my stock loft were out of winning kits. The other two stock birds are birds that are closely related to birds from winning kits, while they, themselves, were on the average side of performance.
YITS,
Cliff
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JMUrbon
101 posts
Dec 09, 2006
8:46 AM
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Tony, I wouldnt say that my best spinner is my best stock bird but my best stock birds have consistantly bred the best spinners for me. I feel that a stock bird is worth its salt if it produces as good or better than itself and the results that I am seeing justify that statement.Joe
Last Edited by on Dec 09, 2006 5:48 PM
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motherlodelofts
1065 posts
Dec 09, 2006
9:12 AM
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I look at the entire picture of the bird to be stocked, I want them rock solid and full of roll but not controlled by it.
This has put me down into a very small gene pool that at the moment is still moving forward.
Sure you can get lucky here and there by breeding out of unflown or what not, but I want to limit that luck factor down to as low of percentages as possible for birds that produce good birds in larger percentages.
My main line came down to three birds (two cock and a hen)
I just ran another hen accross the foundation cocks that is closely related and a nice one, so far it looks like it is going to fuse in nicly as several have already made the A team off of one of the cocks and a few off the other cock are coming in nicly which were breed later in the season , I might add that if she doesn't breed well across both then I consider her un workable into the line and of no use to me.
This is all what makes it so enjoyable to me, it's just mining those little veins of gold.
Scott
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big al
226 posts
Dec 09, 2006
10:18 AM
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I've had it work both ways.
I have a dark check that was never flown, but produces a lot of speed regardless of the pairing.
I also have a hen that was awesome in the air but will only produce equally good youngsters if paired to certain type performers and body type cocks.
I breed according to what I think I may need more of in the teams and in the stock. In other words I know who to go to, and who they need to be paired with to increase depth, frequency, speed etc...
The breeders have a total package but most have one or two particular traits that move me forward and keep the breeding system balanced.
I've always found irony in the fact that some awesome spinners can't produce the same.
However, I have found that breeding very selectively with particular goals in mind, can increase the number of birds that do produce youngsters equal or better than themselves.
Once you really get to know the family you're working with, whether it's your own or another's, it becomes easier to accomplish I think.
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Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
Last Edited by on Dec 09, 2006 10:23 AM
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nicksiders
914 posts
Dec 09, 2006
10:37 AM
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Big Al,
Where have you been, my friend? Glad to see ya!
Nick
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big al
229 posts
Dec 09, 2006
10:42 AM
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Nick my man!
I've been low profiling and fighting the preds.
I see the site has been busy!! lol!! :-)
I may have to miss the W.C. unless I can get these guys in the air without making meals of them. Too young to lock down.
How are your birds man?
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See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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nicksiders
915 posts
Dec 09, 2006
11:32 AM
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Big Al,
I have only been able to put them up about twice a week. Right now they don't really look good....a little stiff. Could be the flying schedule or the cold, don't know. I have also been feeding heavy rations due to the cold. That may have something to do with'em.
For the first time in a long while I have better stock and I am hoping for a robust breeding season.
I have not had any problems with hawks. Have not seen any overhead which surprises me living so close to the Mississippi River. I have seen a few, but never overhead when flying.
Hang In There,
Nick
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