luis
12 posts
Dec 09, 2006
12:48 PM
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I have read several staments on birds rolling like culls.What exactly does this mean?Does this mean it's twizzling,tumbling or just plain not rolling tight?At what age do you determine to cull it ,for some birds don't develop until their 2nd yr!I'm just starting out so this is a frustrating time for me.Any help would be appreciated.
Last Edited by on Dec 09, 2006 10:00 PM
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nicksiders
918 posts
Dec 09, 2006
1:11 PM
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Starting out I feel you have to grade your birds and keep the best ones. In fact you should do this forever; keeping your best and not the rest. Some it will be obvious like the ones who do not roll at all. Those you should be able to make a decision on or before 6 months depending on your family traits. Don't look at them to decide who you are going to cull; just keep the best performers regarless.
Just keep your best and in about three years you should then have a good number of best and you will know who else to cull. Just keep grading them closely.
It is all about having a plan and sticking with it; don't let anybody talk you out of your plan. Gotta go with what works for you and not what is working for someone else, You will know how well you are making decisions when you begin competing.
I am probably muddying things up for you instead of making them clear, but there ain't any magic formulas. Listen to everyone and read everything you can get your hands on and from this develope your plans AND STICK TO THEM. Tweek them here and there, but don't change them. Nobody has all of the answers all of the time about everything.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
Last Edited by on Dec 09, 2006 1:15 PM
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motherlodelofts
1068 posts
Dec 09, 2006
1:16 PM
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Luis , super question for the new guys !!!!!
Luis , in order for a bird to be any good at has to have the "capability" to roll properly , cull don't have the capability.
Basicly what many of us use is, that at the very least it must roll fast enough to not be able to count the revolutions of the roll , no glitching/ wingswitching (think ball bearing smooth) a bird rolling fairly tight is fast enough to not be able to count the revolutions, think ballbearing smooth or fluid (worth the repeat).
Wing postion should be up or not seen at all from underneath.
They should exit the roll cleanly and facing forward.
Keep in mind no bird is going to roll right all the time,
young birds need to develope into qaulity for the most part, the good one's will just get better and better with more consistancy, mental and physical condition will also play in with all birds , hope this helps.
Scott
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nicksiders
920 posts
Dec 09, 2006
1:53 PM
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Good post, Scott. Pretty well sums it up on what constitutes a proper roll.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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Santandercol
482 posts
Dec 09, 2006
6:50 PM
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Yep,I agree.Scott,you do have a lot of good input here.We all love ya!!!I don't care what they said in jail about ya!!
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Kelly
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motherlodelofts
1069 posts
Dec 09, 2006
8:19 PM
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LOL Kelly
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fhtfire
700 posts
Dec 09, 2006
9:15 PM
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Scott...you said it like it needs to be said...just like you told me what to look for years ago..you are like Yoda...but Yoda is better looking.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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luis
13 posts
Dec 09, 2006
9:48 PM
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Thanks for the input guys! I would also like to ask, what is the appropriate time to cull since some birds take longer to develop than others? Is it a matter of getting to know what you have and how it works?
Thanks again your all very helpful.
Last Edited by on Dec 09, 2006 9:49 PM
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longarm
3 posts
Dec 10, 2006
10:54 PM
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You should cull as you picked your familys, based on your preferance. there are some familys that mature quicker than others and your choice in familys will dictate at what age you cull. there is no set time or age. The quicker matureing familys tend ( not always ) to have more problems with stability IE roll downs but the longer familys really try a guys patience. If you have a family that you really like and you only want to wait 6 months for a bird to come in then you can cull based on that principle. As you gain experiance with you family and their perticular qualitys and weakness you will be able to pick a bird that is really going to have it and one that isnt earlier but it is best to wait them out at first and give them a year. personally I wouldnt wait more than that to see what I wanted to see but I have heard of a family that is 18 months out. Some of the very deep types of rollers ( not birms scott) will go around 20 months to come in totaly. Your best bet is to talk to others who fly the same family or better the fellow who breed them for you and see what time table they use that will give you a better idea of what to look for and when. c.j.
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W@yne
59 posts
Dec 13, 2006
10:34 PM
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luis,
You say you are just starting out.If possible it would be very wise to visit as many estblished kits as possible then you will know what yer looking for hence knowing what to cull and what not to.It will be worth the visit to other lofts just to pick the brains of the guys who are winning comps with questions that you might need.Roller guys usually will go out of there way to give advice and put you on the right step. All the best luis.
regards
W@yne uk
Last Edited by on Dec 13, 2006 10:35 PM
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740 posts
Aug 08, 2008
8:24 PM
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this is a good topic
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EVILLOFT'S
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PR_rollers
1494 posts
Aug 08, 2008
8:54 PM
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Exactly Pisto I get rid of a cull by using it for foster or breeding pen nor would it be flown with good birds if it has bad habit i don't want them to pick up.like banking , out bird Ect.now if it didn't roll right and thats it he can be use for training other for starters.but never in my A team or B.and never is this bird that i call a cull to be given to anyone..unless to eat ..or foster with knowing its a cull..
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Ralph
Last Edited by on Aug 09, 2008 9:31 AM
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quickspin
805 posts
Aug 08, 2008
10:22 PM
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Everyone has said good things and like Wayne said you need to see as much kits as possible to even know what is what you looking for. Not many still don't know and confuse depth with style.
When you see it you will not forget and you have it picture in your mind and you try to multiply that.
Right now I have a couple birds that I don't like but I need them to make a team then I will remouve them from the loft. The ideal bird that I have in my loft is my grizzle hen she is what my goal is.
She was flown for 1 1/2 years and always 15-30 feet tigh H frame clean in and out of the roll and back to the kit like a yo yo no wing change at all. Now I have bred her with 3 different cocks and soon back to her father to try to get another bird like her. Ones I get a cock like her or better not worst it will breed it back to her. Then I will keep replacing them by better and better.
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SALAS LOFT
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gotspin7
1671 posts
Aug 09, 2008
10:04 AM
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Scott, great post! Ball bearing smooth that is!..lol
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Sal Ortiz
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