Missouri-Flyer
4 posts
Dec 11, 2006
2:53 PM
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I was wondering what you all do if you have bird(s) that land earlier than the kit. I have 2 birds that I have done everything possible to try and keep them up when they land early. These are excellent birds that have tons of potential except landing early. They usually fly 20 to 30 minutes and come down 5 minutes before the rest. Could it be to get to the food first, even tho I dont feed until they have all landed? Thanks, Jerry
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
866 posts
Dec 11, 2006
3:10 PM
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Are these two rolling more than the others? If you have two birds that are more frequent than the rest and all are of the age where they should be rolling, AND those two are flying 20-30 minutes, they are the ones doing what they are supposed to be doing.
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Missouri-Flyer
5 posts
Dec 11, 2006
3:16 PM
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Yes these 2 are more active than most of the others. So should I be happy with the 20 to 30 minutes I get out of them, or? Jerry
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
867 posts
Dec 11, 2006
3:57 PM
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Well that depends on how long you want your birds to fly. Most birds which roll once a minute or more will have a tough time staying in shape to continue doing it each and every day. Personally I don't like my kits flying for more than 30 minutes. If they fly longer they are usually in too good of shape or being overfed.
It is one of those things where a person you are asking would have to see the circumstances. It's easy to sit here and say "they are doing what you want" or "they are either sick or out of shape or culls...etc" without actually seeing what they are doing. Age has a lot to do with it too. Hot young birds will act this way. An old bird usually won't unless it is undernourished.
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Missouri-Flyer
6 posts
Dec 11, 2006
4:08 PM
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These are all 06 birds. I have tried more and less food and these same 2 birds are always down first. As I stated, they do fly atleast 20 minutes, and never longer than 30, but I just wish they would stay with the kit until they all landed. Maybe I am being to picky. Jerry
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Velo99
713 posts
Dec 11, 2006
5:24 PM
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Flag em back up!! I have yb`s that do that too sometimes.
Flag em up a time or two,decrease the feed a little so you can call them down pretty easily. If you can figure out some way to get them to all land together using feed or whatever. It might take a few days, keep after them til they straighten up.
good luck
ps if they drop one second early in comp you get a big old DQ!!!
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
Last Edited by on Dec 11, 2006 5:25 PM
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parlorfancier916
185 posts
Dec 11, 2006
6:22 PM
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In my opinion, I prefer this behavior in my kits, frequent, that means they are always trying to break and rekit, and always landing with in 20-30 minutes of flying. To me sounds like those two are Winners. I like these traits because I can fly my other kits, who are waiting to show me what they got, and I wouldn't worry about overflying, or more chances of predator attacks.
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nicksiders
926 posts
Dec 11, 2006
6:32 PM
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I want my kits to go up together and come down together. There are times I find that the early landers are the hardest workers. They roll deep and have to fly harder and more often to re-kit. Also, you got to see how early is early. If I know I am going to get 30 or more minutes out of them and they are workers they will not be deducting points from you in competition. But if they ain't working, I ain't going to keep feeding them.
In the early part of thier training I will flag 'em back up and keep doing it until they get the message. The ones who don't work and don't fly I fry.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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fhtfire
703 posts
Dec 11, 2006
6:35 PM
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It is not uncommon for a couple birds to come down a little earlier then the rest if they are the hardest workers. In my A-team that I lost..boo hoo...I had two or three birds that would come down about 5-10 minutes before the rest of the kit...and it had nothing to do with them not kitting..they just ran out of gas...to me...and this is only me...if my kit stays up for 40 minutes and a couple birds that are working ther asses of come down in 30 minutes...I am fine with that...the comp is 20 minutes long....
Sometimes you have to look at the birds themselves..if they are working harder they may need more feed....so you may have to pull them and let them eat more after you feed the rest of the kit....especially if they are all young birds...they may be hens that are not pushing there way in for the food....feel there crops when they are done eating...do they have less feed then the other birds...there are so many things that can make them land earlier....some just grow out of it.
You can also check what they are eating..kind of watch them in the kit box....if you are feeding a mix...some birds will just eat the wheat and milo and not the peas...and the other birds are strong from the protein and they are running on fumes....To break them of that habit...I mix my own feed and will feed each type of grain seperate for a couple of weeks....give them peas first...then wheat....then milo...then they all get a balanced meal...and it may be that the birds coming early have never really tried the peas....once the realize that all the grains are good..they break the habit of nit picking..or you can feed them buy themselves after the kit eats and give them just peas....it is hard to diagnose what the problem is..but it seems like they are just working harder...
rock and roll
Paul
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Missouri-Flyer
7 posts
Dec 11, 2006
7:25 PM
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Thanks guys. I have watched these 2 birds for months and as you say, they are more frequent in their roll, and snap back to the kit faster than the rest. I feed all my birds mix feed. If I were to switch to feeding individual feeds, how much? I fly 23 birds in this kit. Thanks, Jerry
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motherlodelofts
1074 posts
Dec 11, 2006
8:08 PM
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Jerry , I didnt read through everyones responses, but they don't really fit the mould I don't think of early landers , feed em up more.
Scott
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J_Star
719 posts
Dec 12, 2006
5:35 AM
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Jerry,
beleive it or not, but those two birds have sever worms problem. De-worm your birds, give them rest for a few days and they will be good to go.
Jay
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Alohazona
214 posts
Dec 12, 2006
8:21 AM
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I would give them a worming ,like Jay said...Aloha,Todd
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STARFIRE
100 posts
Dec 14, 2006
4:14 PM
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Hi Jerry:
If you know what birds they are ,and you see them coming down,DON'T LET THEM LAND .Chase them up and away from the loft,and keep chasing them till they stay up and come down with the rest of the kit.If the birds are really active and have worn themselves out,this may not work.You may keep chasing them and if they are really tired from working they might land someplace else.You could also try not flying the 2 birds together.One may be pulling the other down,especially if they are young.And I can pretty much guess they are cock birds?
STARFIRE
Last Edited by on Dec 14, 2006 4:17 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
13 posts
Dec 14, 2006
7:11 PM
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Starfire, yes both birds are cock birds. I had the same thought yesterday so I placed one of them in the young(er) bird kit and left the other with the rest. I planned to fly today to see if he would fly full length, but didnt fly, so maybe tomorrow. Jerry
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