Hector Coya
53 posts
Dec 20, 2006
2:52 PM
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Since many of you say a crest is a cross, i have a question for you.
I have a bird out of my Norm Reed family,pure Reed,this bird and many of his offspring come out with a real small beak,I mean small.
To me it looks like a cross with a Parlor ,But since it came out of a reputable line, it' seems to be ok,the only reason i stocked this bird is it was a real good roller in many ways but the beak,just like i might stock a crest for the reason it rolls good.
How many of you bred a bird with a small beak?
Hector C
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
919 posts
Dec 20, 2006
3:05 PM
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I bred some shorties from a pair of birds that have Kumro in the background. It is my understanding that a lot of his birds had the shorter beak. But that could just be gossip.
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Hector Coya
54 posts
Dec 20, 2006
3:07 PM
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And if they do have a short beak,are they crosses?
Hector C
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
920 posts
Dec 20, 2006
3:16 PM
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I don't believe so Hector, many if not most early tumbler breeds had shorter than what we consider normal beaks. It is most likely just a carry over from the past.
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Hector Coya
55 posts
Dec 20, 2006
3:18 PM
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So you are saying a cross,,,,,
Hector C
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Hector Coya
56 posts
Dec 20, 2006
3:20 PM
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What makes the crest any diferent?
Hector C
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
921 posts
Dec 20, 2006
3:28 PM
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<------not taking the bait...lol
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ROLLERMAN
66 posts
Dec 20, 2006
3:38 PM
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I thought that was a chum line off the back of hectors boat.
lol
al
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Hector Coya
57 posts
Dec 20, 2006
3:55 PM
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Admit it i got you,,, LOL
Hector C
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Missouri-Flyer
39 posts
Dec 20, 2006
3:58 PM
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Hectors "trying" to be a little sneaky huh?
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Hector Coya
58 posts
Dec 20, 2006
4:14 PM
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He wrote it, Me ,Kumro and BRIAN have bird with old tumbler trait's from crosses, thats how the short beat shows up in some birds ,mine look like a parlor,LOL
Hector C
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parlorfancier916
204 posts
Dec 20, 2006
6:21 PM
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ey it might be a mutation, I mean crest and muffed rollers, I've seen a pair of crest rollers come from a pure pensom roller pair.
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George Ruiz
140 posts
Dec 20, 2006
6:22 PM
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Was it breeding in a open loft ?
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Hector Coya
59 posts
Dec 20, 2006
8:01 PM
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My short beak bird came from a friend that has no other breed but rollers and they are all Norm Reed ,he has the original birds banded in 92.Hector C
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motherlodelofts
1149 posts
Dec 21, 2006
6:43 AM
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The beak has what to do with anything ? anything to justify mongrels uh Hector , inbreed the hell out of those color birds or one's with a crests and see what pops up , inbreed the Norm Reed birds and see what "doesn't" pop up , that is of coarse if thier gene pool hasn't been polluted after the fact.
Scott
Last Edited by on Dec 21, 2006 7:34 AM
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Hector Coya
60 posts
Dec 21, 2006
1:29 PM
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Scott, You didnt explain the short beak yet.Inbreed the Norm Reeds and you get a short beak,i dont think so,they look like a cross with something.
Hector C
Last Edited by on Dec 21, 2006 1:32 PM
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motherlodelofts
1160 posts
Dec 21, 2006
1:39 PM
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Long beak , short beak, who care's it's genetic, if you you breed birds with short beaks you'll get short beaks. Keep fishing if it makes you feel better,and just keep breeding for the weird stuff and be on the road to nowhere.
Scott
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Hector Coya
61 posts
Dec 21, 2006
2:12 PM
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I guess Brian already explained it ,Thank's,
Hector c
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Hector Coya
84 posts
Dec 28, 2006
8:19 AM
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It's wierd that nobody els had a better explanation for a roller with a verry short beak?
Hector c
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parlorfancier916
212 posts
Dec 28, 2006
8:28 AM
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Hector, I've tried mixing a parlor with a birmingham most of the babies were rolldowns or parlors, no matter how many generations I breed the babies back to the birmingham they always turned out to be rolldowns or parlors, I don't think short beaks are from parlors, maybe you are talking about budapest tumblers.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
968 posts
Dec 28, 2006
8:33 AM
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Hey Hector, I am not surprised, I will post some pictures of some Rubys with shorter beaks.
I have actually tried to get this trait when it showed up in one of my birds, they still have the roll and I do like the unique look it gives them.
If it is somewhere in the background (gene-pool), it can pop up, thing is, you have to recognize the trait and breed toward it through selection.
I think you are trying to build a strawman. Keep trying. LOL
PS: Kumro birds are way back in my familys background...
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by on Dec 28, 2006 8:35 AM
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Hector Coya
85 posts
Dec 28, 2006
8:35 AM
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Just a thought,Like i said i got some pure Norm Reeds witha tiny beak,Even some of my Bob Scott stuff come that way, they roll great just look funny, Hector C
Last Edited by on Dec 28, 2006 8:38 AM
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Hector Coya
86 posts
Dec 28, 2006
8:42 AM
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I try not to breed two short beak's together,I might get a chinees Owl,,, LOL
Last Edited by on Dec 28, 2006 8:43 AM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
970 posts
Dec 28, 2006
9:25 AM
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As long as it rolls with inconceivable rapidity and falls like a spinning ball...
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Electric-man
95 posts
Dec 28, 2006
9:37 AM
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DOH! here we go again!!! LOL
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
971 posts
Dec 28, 2006
11:35 AM
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LOL
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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STARFIRE
243 posts
Dec 28, 2006
11:43 AM
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Hey Parlor;
Explain your statement to Scott.very slowly so he will understand.Quote " ey it might be a mutation, I mean crest and muffed rollers, I've seen a pair of crest rollers come from a pure pensom roller pair".LOL=What????
STARFIRE
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643 posts
Jul 20, 2008
11:48 AM
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g/topic
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spanky
528 posts
Jul 20, 2008
12:34 PM
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DAMMMMM GOOD TOPIC, I CURENTLY HAVE SOME BREEDERS THAT HAVE SHORT BEAK, BUT THEY ROLL SO I'M COOL WITH IT.
SPANKY
SGVS
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Ty Coleman
479 posts
Jul 20, 2008
12:41 PM
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Spanky thats my thoughts also if they roll the way you want and you pay the feed bill,then it doesnt matter.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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CVRC
324 posts
Jul 20, 2008
2:17 PM
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thats true spanky....as long as they roll...
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CM Loft
CVR
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Last Edited by on Jul 20, 2008 2:17 PM
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gotspin7
1508 posts
Jul 20, 2008
3:31 PM
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The 23 blood are carriers of such (short beaks) with no crosses.
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Sal Ortiz
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CSRA
1569 posts
Jul 20, 2008
4:13 PM
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what happen to the long beak birds i like those
Last Edited by on Jul 20, 2008 4:13 PM
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pigeonflipper
46 posts
Jul 23, 2008
4:25 AM
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maybe what you guys are forgettin is that when you inbreed you have a greater chance of things from the past showing up,,,like they get racers with frills which is a reminder of the days of great crossings,,,
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Anthony
6 posts
Jul 23, 2008
12:57 PM
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I recently saw some American Rollers that had a shorter than average beak.
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