birdman
250 posts
Dec 20, 2006
5:31 PM
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Stan,
Were your 5 original pairs all red bars and red check selfs, except for the lavender cock?
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STARFIRE
168 posts
Dec 20, 2006
6:11 PM
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Hi Birdman:
Is this a trick question?=Yes=
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STARFIRE
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birdman
253 posts
Dec 20, 2006
6:18 PM
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Not a trick question, maybe a leading question...lol
How long were you breeding your original birds before you got one expressing something other than a bar or a check?
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STARFIRE
169 posts
Dec 20, 2006
6:28 PM
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Hi Birdman::
It it was quite a few years,maybe 6-7-Its amazing how your birds change over almost 40 years.I'll post some blue & red checks that look like the original.stock
STARFIRE
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birdman
255 posts
Dec 20, 2006
6:56 PM
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What was the color, modifier, and pattern of the first non-bar or non-check to pop up after breeding 6-7 years?
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centralvalleylofts
53 posts
Dec 20, 2006
7:59 PM
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lol thats great you got to love his bull sh#@!!!!!!!!!!!!
keep-em going.steve
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birdman
260 posts
Dec 20, 2006
8:41 PM
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Stan, I guess what I'm really trying to figure out is how your group of bars and checks and the odd spread bird, after 6-7 years, just suddenly started producing all the grizzles that you're posting.
Are you suggesting that the grizzle was hidden by the bar and check pattern and then suddenly popped out after breeding them pure for a few years?
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STARFIRE
173 posts
Dec 20, 2006
10:34 PM
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Hi Birdman:
This is how=This Tort came out of a pair of blue checks.
STARFIRE
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dave
232 posts
Dec 20, 2006
11:49 PM
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Didn't know blue checks could produce torts. Thought one of the parents had to be grizzle to produce a tort.
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birdman
262 posts
Dec 21, 2006
6:31 AM
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Exactly what I'm thinking, Dave!!
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rollzilla
23 posts
Dec 21, 2006
7:53 AM
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Ya gotta have a grizzle to get a grizzle
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rollzilla
25 posts
Dec 21, 2006
7:55 AM
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Where did the almonds and yellow come frome ??? Those aint Pensom factory colors
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STARFIRE
174 posts
Dec 21, 2006
9:00 AM
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Hi Rosilla:
Thats a tort not a grizzle-two differey things.Did you ever see a pied homer?Where does that color come from?The solid yellow came from a pair of Red check selfs.The almond is the only bird I have brought in about 12 years ago.I keep that line seperate.I dont know who bred it but the young are fantastic.That yellow nun marked bird came from red check selfs.They keep throwing back.
STARFIRE
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birdman
263 posts
Dec 21, 2006
9:32 AM
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Stan, are you saying that you can get a grizzle or tort from a pair of non-grizzles?
If so, which pattern or color is responsible for masking the grizzle gene?
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STARFIRE
177 posts
Dec 21, 2006
10:20 AM
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Hi Birdman:
The only thing I can figure is that they are throwing back who knows how many generations.I'm not a genetecist,so I
don't know.All birds throw back.
STARFIRE.
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dave
233 posts
Dec 21, 2006
10:27 AM
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I am confused as heck here as I don't know much about colors. But I thought that you can only get blues out of two blues. Can someone help us out? I got a couple of birds with one or two white flights out of two blue birds but no torts so far.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
933 posts
Dec 21, 2006
10:45 AM
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Okay, everyone shoulder their arms for a moment.
In the big picture, roller guys tend to be, lets say, intellectually challenged when it comes recognizing and understanding the color of their birds.
It is COMPLETELY feasible for Stan to have raised a Tort (which is GRIZZLE stan) from a pair of blues. I see guys all the time call a very dark tort which possesses undergrizzle..as a blue check. I see it A LOT. Some of my Horner birds look like blue checks but have a couple of small white feathers on the head. One way to know for sure is you have to examine the primaries. Look near the shaft and you will see white streaks coming from the shaft which then often go bronze then blue. I have several Horner cocks that most roller guys would just call a blue check. He's a super dark tort and when mated to a pure blue check, has produced at least one super light tort that is mostly white each year. This is how Stan can get grizzle in his birds, just how you can too.
Getting yellows is easy too. Stan said they came from a pair of red checks. Both birds carried recessive red and the cock carried dilute. The result; a recessive yellow hen.
Don't throw stones unless you are armed with the defensive measures to defend yourself when thy enemy throws them right back at you.
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bman
127 posts
Dec 21, 2006
10:46 AM
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Throw back ?
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Ron
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nicksiders
994 posts
Dec 21, 2006
10:56 AM
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Brian,
I think I am falling in love with you.
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Snicker Rollers
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
935 posts
Dec 21, 2006
11:04 AM
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Nick, Homie don't play that. Check it before you wreck it partner...lol.
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STARFIRE
180 posts
Dec 21, 2006
11:05 AM
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HI McCormick
Thanks for clearing that up .Like I said Im no genetecist.
I was very surprised myself when I seen that in the nest as a squeek.I wonder myself about wher it came from.The blue checks had lavender behind them ,is that the dilute your talking about?
STARFIRE
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dave
234 posts
Dec 21, 2006
11:06 AM
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Stan wasn't trying to make you look bad. I'm just a bonehead when it comes to colors, lol. Thanks BMC, I get it now.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
936 posts
Dec 21, 2006
11:08 AM
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Lavender in rollers is nothing more than the spread gene x ash red check or bar. The spread ash red bars tend to be the cleaner expressions of what is called lavender. For the record, true Lavender is Milky Spread Blue. But I've grown tired of trying to tell roller guys that..lol.
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birdman
264 posts
Dec 21, 2006
11:13 AM
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Brian, are undergrizzle and grizzle the same thing?
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birdman
265 posts
Dec 21, 2006
11:35 AM
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www.angelfire.com/ga/huntleyloft/griz.html
I answered my own question with a little web searching.I found this link above that explains it pretty well.
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Wantaroll
12 posts
Dec 21, 2006
7:40 PM
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Thanks for the education gentelmen!
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