Velo99
761 posts
Dec 24, 2006
6:41 PM
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Newsflash! The other site pulled up the welcome mat! Registration is now required to view the message board.
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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nicksiders
1039 posts
Dec 25, 2006
10:26 AM
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Kenny,
Don't know what is going on there. I am registard there and I glean information from it, but I am not a member of the NPRA. I find it strange that they would block un-registerd from reading the posts...........hmmm.
Weird ain't it?
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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knaylor
390 posts
Dec 25, 2006
12:23 PM
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LMAO!!!
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highroller
4 posts
Dec 25, 2006
12:32 PM
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Not really a newsflash, it's been that way for a little while now. Good to know you still check in now and then Kenny.
It sure has helped quiet things down though hasn't it? There really is no need for forums to try to compete or worse....
I guess when folks take the extra step to sign in they aren't just cruising looking for a juicy tidbit to exploit somewhere.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a great new year.
Dan
Last Edited by on Dec 25, 2006 12:32 PM
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hardtimekenl2
21 posts
Dec 25, 2006
12:32 PM
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what i would like to know too is when i go to this site to read some of the post .alot and part of the post is not there like part of it has been took away or something.how can a man get info when it has been took away .thay just let some people post.or what?
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hardtimekenl2
22 posts
Dec 25, 2006
12:34 PM
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what i would like to know too is when i go to this site to read some of the post .alot and part of the post is not there like part of it has been took away or something.how can a man get info when it has been took away .thay just let some people post.or what?
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highroller
5 posts
Dec 25, 2006
12:35 PM
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hardtime,
some threads there have a large pic in them and you need to scroll over to get the whole story....it doesn't all fit on the screen at once. Maybe that's what you are experiencing.
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classicpony
41 posts
Dec 25, 2006
12:44 PM
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Where is it at??
Lost in flight!
Jim
@ birdhouse
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nicksiders
1043 posts
Dec 25, 2006
12:47 PM
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Dan,
I prefer an open site that allows expoitation of all information on it. I like roller-pigeon.com because of this and the NBRC site. All information posted on it you can exploit freely. It is sad to know that some sites forbid the posted information to be shared or exploited.
Weird ain't it?
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
926 posts
Dec 25, 2006
12:58 PM
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Nick.It's not such a sad thing.It is not hard to register.Once you register you have access to everything.You have to register everwhere else if you want to post.No difference.I guess if it is not worth registering to enter I guess there is nothing there that anyone would want to see anyway.LOL. David
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nicksiders
1046 posts
Dec 25, 2006
1:02 PM
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David,
You can't even read the posts without registering is what I am understanding. That is sad.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
Last Edited by on Dec 25, 2006 1:20 PM
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highroller
6 posts
Dec 25, 2006
1:04 PM
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hi Nick,
I guess it depends on the meaning you apply to "exploit". If you mean to use the info in a constructive way, I agree with you. However I was using "exploit" to mean using something in a negative, unconstructive way. While I understand that may be accepted behavior here and many here may enjoy that type of interaction, that is not the policy "over there" and every user there knows it, including yourself. BTW Nick, my compliments to you on the way you conduct yourself over yonder.
Dan
Last Edited by on Dec 25, 2006 1:05 PM
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nicksiders
1047 posts
Dec 25, 2006
1:16 PM
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I should be complemented on how I conduct myself here as well don't ya think, Dan?......I guess I am at home here and in a comfort zone that I don't experience "over there", huh?
I am glad that my behavior "over there" is to your liking. I just don't look on my behavior here as heathenistic (I don't know if that is even a word).
Oh well.............
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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highroller
8 posts
Dec 25, 2006
1:20 PM
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yeah Nick, I'm sure you're just fine here too. I just don't get here too often and don't make a point of looking up your posts. No offense intended, bud.
Dan
Last Edited by on Dec 25, 2006 1:21 PM
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nicksiders
1048 posts
Dec 25, 2006
1:33 PM
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Dan,
Not offended; just puzzled.
I think your statements pretty well typify the arrogence that prevails on that site.
Just my opinion, of course.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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highroller
9 posts
Dec 25, 2006
3:18 PM
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Merry Christmas Nick, you can't jerk my chain LOL.
In the words of Jesus Christ.....
"Behold I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefor be wise as serpents and harmless as doves."
And...
"If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men."
Last Edited by on Dec 26, 2006 6:52 AM
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Velo99
766 posts
Dec 25, 2006
3:55 PM
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In the words of Julius Ceasar
"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
957 posts
Dec 25, 2006
4:49 PM
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Hey Nick, I am really glad you, along with so many others, enjoy this site and make it what it is.
We enjoy a much freer flow of information and opinion here. I don't always agree with the opinions or the way they are expressed here, like one or two on this thread, but I do try to put my biases aside as much as I can and leave the posts up.
I used to think WWW stood for wild wild west. LOL But now so many want crumpets and tea under an umbrella and have a kindly visit and agree on everything...I don't have problem with that...
I wonder why some people are so adamant about not being quoted. What's interesting to me is I bet some of these same people have no problem quoting others when the words are to thier advantage.
I also wonder, how many come here to check what's being said and run back to their friends and report on what they find.
Well pardner, this site is for gunslingers not for mudslingers. lol
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Velo99
769 posts
Dec 25, 2006
5:18 PM
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There it is!
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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tapp
151 posts
Dec 25, 2006
6:54 PM
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Tony you Da man. Merry Christmas to you and your family. Kim ,Lorri Tappenden
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Tapp
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motherlodelofts
1202 posts
Dec 25, 2006
7:24 PM
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There is only one reason a site such as this is done behind closed doors.
Scott
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
927 posts
Dec 26, 2006
2:46 AM
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Scott.There is nothing done behind closed doors.The only thing you have to do is register your email to join.Now if you just want to sneak around and not be known then that is your choice.Why would you even want to see what is going on over there?You don't believe in what they are doing anyway.
There is only a select few that find this to be out of the ordinary.Those are the ones that have either left the site or were banned from the site.There don't seem to be a problem for anyone else.Folks are joining daily and don't mind sharing their email address.
Scott.You need to stay away from that site anyway.It may rub off on you.LOL. David
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Ballrollers
528 posts
Dec 27, 2006
4:59 PM
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You're a hard guy to figure, nick...I guess it depends on which side of your mouth you're talking out of at the time! LOL! And you said you were turning over a new leaf......I'm dissapointed....
Cliff
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nicksiders
1075 posts
Dec 27, 2006
6:16 PM
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Cliff,
Are you saying that my behavior does not always meet your approval, too?
What I had to say to Dan doesn't really have much to do with you anyway; does it? On second thought, I guess it does. The arragance does prevail, huh?
The leaf has been turned; haven't you noticed.(LOL) My behavior is good in both sites and you should compliment me on it.....Dan did, at least for the other site anyway. Made me feel warm and fuzzy too(LOL).
I still love you, Cliff.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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highroller
10 posts
Dec 27, 2006
7:06 PM
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Nick, Nick, Nick, LOL
Just not happy unless you're jerking somebody's chain?
Don't make me eat my words now.
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Ballrollers
531 posts
Dec 27, 2006
7:16 PM
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No, Nick...I sure hope it's not the approval of others that motivates you, my friend...least of all mine. I'm just another roller guy, like you (well, in some ways! LOL!) It isn't an issue of approval...but one of credibility. And when we represent ourselves inconsistently on the different sites, it's hard to figure that, for sure...that's all...just like me being called to task here, for taking color into consideration at all when pairing birds for performance on another site. The inconsistancy raises questions in the minds of some....I guess we're all doing the best we can, eh? I still love you, too, nick...even when we disaggree....Hmmmmmm, I missed the "I am being nice" part when you said.....Awwwwww skip it. It doesn't really matter, anway, does it?
YITS,
Cliff
Last Edited by on Dec 27, 2006 7:21 PM
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nicksiders
1076 posts
Dec 27, 2006
7:58 PM
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Cliff,
Now my credibility.......WOW! You sure know how to hurt a guy. Oh, by the way, you can quote everything I say on any of these sites to include chat and email. It is OKAY.
You sometimes babble and I don't understand everything you are trying to say. You're starting to make an old man out of me(LOL).
I still love you, Cliff
Nick
P.S. You never tell me you love me. What gives?
Weird ain't it?
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Snicker Rollers
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Alan Bliven
344 posts
Dec 27, 2006
9:03 PM
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From Wikipedia: "In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others."
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Alan
Last Edited by on Dec 27, 2006 9:17 PM
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Alan Bliven
345 posts
Dec 27, 2006
9:30 PM
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I participate in multiple forums and even host three active forums and I can honestly say that Slobberknocker's NPRA forum is one of the best managed that I have ever seen.
I have posted in there more than anyone and was once accused of being Bob's pet. But I get my inflammatory posts deleted just like everyone else. I don't always like it at the time but after I think about it, he's been right when he deletes my posts.
Just recently there was some negative talk of some of the trolls from this forum that are always slamming the other forum and their birds and Bob quickly put a stop to it. I believe that's called turning the other cheek.. so I appreciate that forum very much.
Please don't expose yourself as a troll by getting into this immature competition between forums and colors of birds. It's only detrimental to the hobby.
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Alan
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nicksiders
1079 posts
Dec 27, 2006
9:42 PM
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Alan,
I don't believe Cliff is a troll. I think he is just confussed. I don't see any trolls on this thread; do ya think that the troll is me? I did not come into this site to stir up stuff; this site is my home. I have been a real good boy "over there".................Kenny is not a troll he just brought up a problem with another site. Alan, are you the troll? I don't think so. Dan is alright; I don't know why he decided to stir up stuff in here. It is out of character for him. It's Cliff ain't it?
I wonder what would happen if I came on the "other site" to defend this site?
Weird ain't it?
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
Last Edited by on Dec 27, 2006 9:58 PM
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Velo99
779 posts
Dec 28, 2006
4:54 AM
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Yeah!
I used to go to the other site frequently just to read some of the posts.Contrary to popular belief, there is info to gained there as well.Information is power.
When I went over the other day and the gate was closed, I was inquiring with other members of this site if they were aware of the closure.
I noticed once again, as soon as your site is mentioned ya`ll come out of the woodwork talking smack and defending your position. Ya know people who live in glass houses shouldn`t throw stones.
VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!!
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
959 posts
Dec 28, 2006
4:55 AM
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Hey Alan, I have access to a dictionary too, check this word out.
"APOLOGIST": A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.
Source is American Heritage Dictionary
LOL Please come by here from time to time and actually post something of value to the visitors OF THIS site and not just act as an apologist for Bob.
Here's another one.
"FANATICAL": motivated or characterized by an extreme, uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics...
Source is Dictionary.com
LOL This reminds me of those that seem to make it a habit of chasing others down from one site to another just because they have differing views and attempt to mock or browbeat them into compliance.
Hmmmm, aren't we at war with those that would hack off our heads for not surrendering our freedom to express our own opinion?
I am still trying to figure out why I should cross a Modena into my Ruby Rollers and then breed them for 8 generations to clean up the Modena genes so my birds will roll again!?
ahhhh, a new thread! Thanks Alan, Dan and David, et al
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Velo99
780 posts
Dec 28, 2006
4:59 AM
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My big brother can beat up your big brother! Ninner ninner boo boo! lmao
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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highroller
11 posts
Dec 28, 2006
7:35 AM
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Nick wrote....Dan is alright; I don't know why he decided to stir up stuff in here. It is out of character for him.
Nick, go back to the beginning of the thread and read all the way through. The stirring sticks are in your hand and a few other regulars here. You've told us before how you like to get under people's skin. If that's how you prefer to operate, go ahead, but don't try to pin the blame for controversey on someone else then.
I'm glad to read how some who are regulars here say they have gleaned some good info over there. I, as well as others have found some good here also. That's what these forums should be all about, helping the hobby. Not a competition to prove who is better.
No need to wonder why there was 20% jump in forum membership over there since this thread was started.
I'm looking forward to reading stuff good for the hobby in BOTH places, now let's let it lay already!
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
966 posts
Dec 28, 2006
7:58 AM
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Hey Highroller, if your membership jumps 20% and we don't lose 20% then perhaps its just pigeon guys wandering what all the fuss is about and checking it out. Probably not much more than that.
Besides, 20% of nothing is still nothing! lol Just kidding.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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highroller
13 posts
Dec 28, 2006
8:08 AM
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OOPS 10% jump, sorry. Don't want to be misleading.
And yes Tony, I'm sure it includes some from this site checking it out. No need to pull out of one to read another. Ya just got to let go of the whole competetition between sites thing and get on with building the hobby.
Dan
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MILO
79 posts
Dec 28, 2006
8:28 AM
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I have many roller friends that insist on poking around other websites to find objectionable information about rollers. They seem to have some strange fascination with it, and although they strongly object to the content of these sites, are oddly drawn to them. I say, why would you go to a site that you are so bent on not being a part of? If there's shit in the yard, you're bound to get some on your feet.
c
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
969 posts
Dec 28, 2006
8:40 AM
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Hey Milo, not defending what these others do but human nature is curious and being just a click or two away...
Not more complicated than that.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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motherlodelofts
1223 posts
Dec 28, 2006
10:23 AM
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HMMMMMMMMM , they locked it so that others can't see the inconsistancys of what others write , and you accuse "Nick" of talking out of both sides of his mouth ?
"And when we represent ourselves inconsistently on the different sites, it's hard to figure that, for sure...that's all...just like me being called to task here, for taking color into consideration at all when pairing birds for performance on another site. The inconsistancy raises questions in the minds of some...."
YITS,
Cliff
Scott,
#1. For the umpteenth time, you know I do not breed for color, so why continue the bullshit?
YITS,
Cliff
"I bought a Dom Opal cock at the Backspin Classic this year. He is a very pale silver/yellow-colored bird. I can't really describe him very well. He's mated to a yellow check self hen. They have produced one round. Both are spitting images of the cock. Is he likely to always reproduce himself, color-wise? This is my first effort with Dom Opal. YITS Cliff"
Just more pairing for performance going on here I guess.
Scott
Last Edited by on Dec 28, 2006 10:25 AM
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knaylor
399 posts
Dec 28, 2006
11:17 AM
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Nick, welcome to the world of Cliff Ball. When the truth hurts he allways will try and take it to a personal level with you!!! LMAO
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W@yne
120 posts
Dec 28, 2006
11:18 AM
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Lol you got him there scott yer old devil.Love the crack on this site keep up the good work guys.
Cliff what do you say to that?
Just admitt it you breed for color as well as roll then this will all draw to a close to this saga its simple nothing to be ashamed about Lol ?
Just stirring a little but its all in good fun.
Regards
W@yne uk
Last Edited by on Dec 28, 2006 11:19 AM
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spinner jim
18 posts
Dec 28, 2006
12:06 PM
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Hey W@yne,i only tune in to read scotts funnies ,i think hes hilarious,he would make a packet here in the uk (Home of the real br)lol.
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Ballrollers
532 posts
Dec 28, 2006
1:09 PM
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Thank you for your interest in my breeding practices, guys. I take that as a compliment! LOL! Let me tell you about that particular pair of birds. I bought them at auction at the Backspin Classic in South Carolina. They were a proven pair of producers owned by Larry Williams, who competed in local, state, and NBRC Fall Flys for many years. They produced many quality spinners for him, and at the time (Spring '05) I was breeding strictly performance birds that had been selected out of the air. So all my breeders had yet to prove that they could produce anything at all in the way of performance. When I saw the quality of the performance of the birds in the air at the Backspin, that this particular pair had produced, I bought them, so that I would have at leastr one pair that I could depend on. The cock was expressing an unusual color modifier, called Dominant Opal, which I had absoulutely no experience with, as you can see in my post. Since the NPRA had just recently organized as a roller club committed to an open discussion of genetics, I submitted the post (the one that Scott pinched from their site) out of curiosity as to what to expect. It is no different to me than asking whether a blue bar and red check paired for performance might reproduce themselves in the offspring. Hell, I didn't care if they produced purple birds as long as they performed like the ones I saw in the air at Larry's place! It is very interesting to note....the pair has produced mostly recessive reds, and a few yellows...but some have what looks like a white undergrizzling in the feathering, which I suppose is caused by the opal modifier. Nope, the cock did not reproduce his color modifier. The pair produced two birds for my A-kit in the first year of 10 squeakers I bred from them. I thought that was pretty awesome at the time...until I discovered pairs Of indigo and andalusians producing even better percentages. By the way Scott, if you cruise the internet sites until the wee hours of the morning, you can probably find a post of mine somewhere, asking what I should expect color-wise out of one of Joe Bob's best stock hens, an indigo on a black badge cock from his World Cup kit, or an Andalusian from Jay Yandle's NBRC 11-bird championship kit in 2003 that he paired with one of his fastest red check hens. And you know what, guys (Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! the pigeon police are watching!!!) given equal performance and type in a pairing, I will actually try to breed for a certain color!!! I know it's hard to believe, but I actually do that! The shame of it!! I guess that makes me a color-breeder guys...yep, I guess, you have outed me, Scott. And you really need to get a life, bro!!! LOL!
YITS,
Cliff
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jammerlofts
25 posts
Dec 28, 2006
2:00 PM
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lmao over here lol
this is one subject that will never lay to rest so we may as well all get a chuckle out of it this has been going on forever come on guys just kiss and make up lol no disrespect intended here
jc
jammerlofts
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motherlodelofts
1225 posts
Dec 28, 2006
2:31 PM
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Thank you for your interest in my breeding practices, guys. I take that as a compliment! LOL! Let me tell you about that particular pair of birds. I bought them at auction at the Backspin Classic in South Carolina. They were a proven pair of producers owned by Larry Williams, who competed in local, state, and NBRC Fall Flys for many years. They produced many quality spinners for him, and at the time (Spring '05) I was breeding strictly performance birds that had been selected out of the air. So all my breeders had yet to prove that they could produce anything at all in the way of performance. When I saw the quality of the performance of the birds in the air at the Backspin, that this particular pair had produced, I bought them, so that I would have at leastr one pair that I could depend on. The cock was expressing an unusual color modifier, called Dominant Opal, which I had absoulutely no experience with, as you can see in my post. Since the NPRA had just recently organized as a roller club committed to an open discussion of genetics, I submitted the post (the one that Scott pinched from their site) out of curiosity as to what to expect. It is no different to me than asking whether a blue bar and red check paired for performance might reproduce themselves in the offspring. Hell, I didn't care if they produced purple birds as long as they performed like the ones I saw in the air at Larry's place! It is very interesting to note....the pair has produced mostly recessive reds, and a few yellows...but some have what looks like a white undergrizzling in the feathering, which I suppose is caused by the opal modifier. Nope, the cock did not reproduce his color modifier. The pair produced two birds for my A-kit in the first year of 10 squeakers I bred from them. I thought that was pretty awesome at the time...until I discovered pairs Of indigo and andalusians producing even better percentages. By the way Scott, if you cruise the internet sites until the wee hours of the morning, you can probably find a post of mine somewhere, asking what I should expect color-wise out of one of Joe Bob's best stock hens, an indigo on a black badge cock from his World Cup kit, or an Andalusian from Jay Yandle's NBRC 11-bird championship kit in 2003 that he paired with one of his fastest red check hens. And you know what, guys (Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! the pigeon police are watching!!!) given equal performance and type in a pairing, I will actually try to breed for a certain color!!! I know it's hard to believe, but I actually do that! The shame of it!! I guess that makes me a color-breeder guys...yep, I guess, you have outed me, Scott. And you really need to get a life, bro!!! LOL!
YITS,
Cliff
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nicksiders
1083 posts
Dec 28, 2006
2:34 PM
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Cliff,
You still haven't said you love me. How many more opportunities do you have to have? For gosh sake, tell me you love me!
Come to think of it, only David Strait has told me he loves me......sad ain't it? I guess only Dave and I are not affraid. Are the rest of you so phobic as not to say it? Does it scare you a bit?(LOL)
Am I stirring up shit, again?(LMAO)
Weird ain't it?
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W@yne
121 posts
Dec 28, 2006
2:35 PM
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SCOTT LMAO
Last Edited by on Dec 28, 2006 2:35 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
45 posts
Dec 28, 2006
2:38 PM
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Other site? Heck, I "thought" this was the ONLY roller site on the net! I guess I better let my fingers get busy and find these "other" sites! LOL Jerry
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Eat, sleep, Cowboys, Pigeons... The facts of life
Last Edited by on Dec 29, 2006 1:12 PM
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W@yne
122 posts
Dec 28, 2006
2:45 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
If you visit the other site make sure your jabs are up to date you might catch somthing i think its called the color bug Lmao
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Ballrollers
534 posts
Dec 28, 2006
3:14 PM
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C'mon, Nick. You mean you're not even reading my creative posts?! LOL! Go back about 23 posts and read the sixth line. That's all I'm gonna say about that or next thing ya know Scott will get jealous and start talking about you and me and purple tutus! LOL!
YITS,
Cliff
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