JMHD
57 posts
Jan 01, 2007
9:02 PM
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Here's my Dun self Cock he was John Destouet's best spinning bird of 2001 i had to go to the Pensom Memorial and get him through the auction. I was able to get him and is an excellent producer NBRC-00-1034 (3638/1180). John M.So,Cal.
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JMHD
58 posts
Jan 01, 2007
9:38 PM
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This is a Red-ck-self Cock 272 Hugo Blaas Bred By Joe Kieser WHP-00-467 aquired from J.V.Broek excellent Cock John M.(HDRC)So,Cal.
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nicksiders
1134 posts
Jan 01, 2007
10:02 PM
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Fine looking stock
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Snicker Rollers
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MILO
86 posts
Jan 01, 2007
10:07 PM
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I like the looks of these birds...Very nice.
c
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dave
262 posts
Jan 01, 2007
10:43 PM
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John, I'll post up a nice mottle hen I picked up when I was down there from John V. Broek. I think she is Hugo Blass line.
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JMHD
59 posts
Jan 02, 2007
2:30 AM
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Thanks Guys Dave i would like to check her out post her band no# also John M.(HDRC)So,Cal.
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dave
265 posts
Jan 02, 2007
12:56 PM
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Mottle hen from John V.Broek. Band# NBRC '04 B0225
John here she is. I lost the pedigree that John V.B. gave me but I think she got some 514 in her.
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JMHD
60 posts
Jan 02, 2007
7:24 PM
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Hey Dave nice hen i got a few from that family that look like her. I'll ask J.V. about her next time i talk to him. John M.
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luis
92 posts
Jan 03, 2007
7:08 PM
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Nice bird john but i'm not so sure that's a Dun.Dun is the dilute of black and that bird appears to carry ash red.Am i right or wrong?................anybody?
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Ballrollers
566 posts
Jan 03, 2007
7:17 PM
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I agree, luis. That bird looks like one of Kenny Billings' blacks with bronzing in the wings! I think he called it a dun also...He doesn't look dilute, though. Super-lookin' birds, John!! JMHO.
Cliff
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MILO
95 posts
Jan 03, 2007
8:34 PM
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wow. Nice mottle...That bird is built right. Best of luck
c
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Velo99
823 posts
Jan 04, 2007
5:04 AM
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I have a bird like that I called a Tort.
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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Shan
10 posts
Jan 04, 2007
6:22 AM
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Yep, that's an ash red with (look at the beak) smoky and probably dirty and bronze factor. That is not a dilute black or dun. But you longtime roller guys give roller colors strange names.
Racing homer men call 'em as they see 'em too. In the Philly area a mealy is an ash. And a lavender is a barless mealy but is really spread ash red. LOL.
I'm still trying to figure out the names of the roller colors in my kit boxes. I call my Easley birds smoky black checks not blue check selfs. But a black check can also be a t-pattern or T.
We will NEVER get a handle on the names given to various colors. Not possible but sure makes things fun.
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Shan
Texas
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cdetorres
23 posts
Jan 04, 2007
9:22 AM
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Those are some fine looking birds, John & Dave. Real nice!
Chris
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ron
13 posts
Jan 04, 2007
2:23 PM
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John, have you ordered our bands yet !!
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JMHD
68 posts
Jan 04, 2007
8:20 PM
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What's up Ron yeah finally i will see you sunday (Fly Day). John M.(HDRC)So,Cal.
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J_Star
735 posts
Jan 05, 2007
5:02 AM
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The first bird posted looks like Andilusion to me. Look at the base color on the body, wing tips and tail.
Jay
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ron
14 posts
Jan 05, 2007
12:06 PM
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I agree that first bird looks like a tort to me too.
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JMHD
83 posts
Jan 14, 2007
3:25 AM
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Here is a hen off the Dun cock would you say she is a Dun?
John M.(HDRC)So,Cal.
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Shan
11 posts
Jan 14, 2007
5:22 AM
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Interesting. But that hen proves three things: the cock carries spread (the hen is a spread)(or the mother of the hen is spread), dilute (the hen is a dilute), and blue.
What is interesting is that the cock is NOT a typical ash red spread (OK, lavender). Must be that smoky gene and another modifier that might be dirty. Or something else I can't quite put my finger on.
What color is the dam to this cock?
I like genetics puzzles, but roller colors, as I have already stated, are still kicking my butt.
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Shan
Texas
Last Edited by on Jan 14, 2007 6:06 AM
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bernie
7 posts
Jan 14, 2007
6:30 AM
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i would classify her as being spread ash with possibly smokey factor thrown in. from what i can see in the pic, she is not a dun.
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JMUrbon
197 posts
Jan 14, 2007
7:44 PM
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This has always been what I was shown to be a Dun. This is a true dilute. The cock and the hen both appear to me as ash red spread.
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nicksiders
1222 posts
Jan 14, 2007
9:45 PM
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Joe,
That is also what I know to be a dunn.
Nick
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No-LimitR
27 posts
Jan 15, 2007
2:38 PM
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Hey guys can someone tell me what the color Dun is? I just now learn that mottle is the red and white spotted. How about a blue bar/ red bar/. I think i know what a grizzle and a tort is. And what other color are there?
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1061 posts
Jan 15, 2007
2:58 PM
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Genetically correct Dun is dilute black (dilute spread blue).
Roller terminology Dun is anything that looks similar to dunnish colored pigeon.
A mottle is a bird of any color that shows an interspersing of white feathers displayed not in a marking fashion such as pie bald.
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ron
15 posts
Jan 16, 2007
9:27 AM
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Joe,
I agree that looks to be a dunn, to me also.
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JMHD
86 posts
Jan 16, 2007
9:44 AM
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Shan the sire and dam to the cock pictured at the top are
Sire Lavender w/Flecking and Dam Black the offspring hen pictured towards the bottom is off the cock at the top and a Black Self hen that is half sister to the cock both have same Sire the (Lavender w/Flecking). Joe to me that bird you posted to me is also a Dun for some reason those particular color just comes out a bit different than when you are looking at them in person? What's going on Ron give me a call. John M.(HDRC)So,Cal.
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Shan
12 posts
Jan 19, 2007
12:35 PM
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I guess the point is made: we all "see" a different color. Of course, it may have something to do wtih old age (my case) or the color on the monitor.
John, whatever color you call 'em, they are nice birds. I just picked up a group of "going out of business" rollers in New Mexico a few days ago. Most went to two local rollermen, but I just had to keep a few--like two of the "mealy dun" hens that were in the group. LOL. Now I have some "in hand" and I can see what pops out when I mate them back to black cocks from that same "New Mexico line.". Should be some ash red and lavender cocks methinks, along with some mealy dun cocks.
Shan
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Shan
Texas
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