parlorfancier916
219 posts
Jan 02, 2007
9:09 AM
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what colors were the first birmingham? I'm just curious.
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Steve_uk
13 posts
Jan 02, 2007
9:35 AM
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Andalusian
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smokey
100 posts
Jan 02, 2007
9:53 AM
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gotta love it.
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Missouri-Flyer
83 posts
Jan 02, 2007
10:15 AM
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The first BR's were Dunn W/Flights with a grizzled head that possessed the Red factor. They were sometimes bred for performance, but the "true" early fanciers thought that the breeders breeding for performance were idiotic. That leads to where we are today. Birds of every color, and none that are true of what the originals were. Jerry
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Eat, sleep, Cowboys, Pigeons... The facts of life
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Hector Coya
94 posts
Jan 02, 2007
10:39 AM
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It depends on when they where considered Bermingham Rollers,
they all came from (ho my God im going to say it) crosses,
in the begiening they where wild pigeons,most likely Blue Bar.
Hector C
Last Edited by on Jan 02, 2007 11:11 AM
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Steve_uk
15 posts
Jan 02, 2007
10:51 AM
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This could be a lenthy debate!
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Steve_uk
16 posts
Jan 02, 2007
11:53 AM
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What do you no wayne you keep homers dont yeh?
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W@yne
155 posts
Jan 02, 2007
12:15 PM
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Ste cut the bull man ive never let any homers anywhere near my loft the nearest thing ive had to homers are them ugly looking dewlaps i was baby sitting for you lmao
If its not a Birmingham Roller then i aint interested.
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dave
263 posts
Jan 02, 2007
12:27 PM
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I was wondering. Have any of these mutations (crests, for the lacing, etc...) shown up there on the other side of the pond? If the birmingham roller originated from over there and have been bred there longer than I assume that at least one of these rare mutations have occurred there unless long ago someone decided to cross something into them when they got here and those genes are popping up now.
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W@yne
157 posts
Jan 02, 2007
12:38 PM
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Nope no laced birds or crests in flying breeds.
I`ve been all over the country and seen many flyer`s bird i have seen a guy and heard of guys that have the odd small tuft of hair on the birds head but i would not call it a crest.We only have 2 groups of people with rollers, flyer`s and show guys, both totally diffrent birds and color.
regards W@YNE UK
Last Edited by on Jan 02, 2007 12:40 PM
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spinner jim
24 posts
Jan 02, 2007
12:49 PM
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i think that one of those wild american turkeys is touring the lofts after dark over in the US and is responsible for the coloured birds appearing cause we dont have em hear in uk lol. jim uk (Home of the real BR).
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longarm
26 posts
Jan 02, 2007
12:57 PM
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hello
were the rollers developed in birmingham or were they worked more there or just imported from there?? Up untill now the history of the birmingham has not been something that I have thought much about I have always looked forward to the bettering of the next round of flyers but it seem so many rollers guys spend most of their time looking over their shoulder at what was that I am beginging to think I must be missing something. a guy learns new things all the time and this subject seems so steeped in mystery that it should be very interesting.
c.j.
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W@yne
159 posts
Jan 02, 2007
1:14 PM
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longarm
You need to buy the birmingham roller pigeon by William H Pensom it goes way back to 1933 but i cant really put a date to the start of the birmingham roller but people in the black country flew birds way before pensom comercialised the breed.
regards
W@yne uk
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Hector Coya
96 posts
Jan 02, 2007
1:34 PM
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Have any of you read THE LAST OF THE GREAT's by Thomas Hatcher?
If you did look at page 38, a full page of crested rollers,or are they crosses?
do you guys think that family whent extinct after those pictures where taken? some of that blood is still around in many loft's think about it.
Hector c
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longarm
27 posts
Jan 02, 2007
1:34 PM
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hi wayne
I have sent off for that book. I have read it once when I was young and as I remember it delt more with mr pensoms lofts and birds and his ideas for the breed. I am sure to form a better idea after reading it agian this time with more interest in the content. it seems that the history for the birms is less documented in its beginings than I had thought. If I am to find the awnsers that I am looking for i am going to need info that may only be found in the flight logs of those who began breeding those perticular birds that flew funny. the folks you mentioned as haveing them earlier do the refer to them as birminghams, just rollers or do they have another name for them? also did the tumbler breeds origionate from the roller, vis versa or were they developed seperatly? c.j.
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motherlodelofts
1259 posts
Jan 02, 2007
1:46 PM
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Hector , you are refering to Chan Grovers cream bars , those weren't developed crests, but they did have a peak ,like I said in an earlier post some oddball families will throw it.
I have been over to Chans more than a few time's and never saw such birds, don't know what he did with them nor do I know if they were crosses , but I will ask next time.
Scott
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Hector Coya
97 posts
Jan 02, 2007
1:53 PM
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Scott i had heared Stan Plona and Ralph Hilton had some too,i may be wrong though.
Hector C
Last Edited by on Jan 02, 2007 1:55 PM
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spinner jim
25 posts
Jan 02, 2007
2:22 PM
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W@yne,i have my favourite pigeon book in front of me i have had it twenty years it is dated 1876 its an illustrated book with lovely colour prints (english),i have found some parts about the br ,i have to apologise for a previous posting of mine when i stated that the br was not mentioned it is ,the author has classified the br in the common tumbler class but not with disrespect,he says they were very popular to the extent that people of all classes rich and poor kept them, even going to the trouble of rushing home at lunch time to fly the kit,he also mentions colours that were common at that time and suprisingly enough these are the colours he mentions--- those with dark flights were common in black,blue,silver,yellow including mottles and rosewings and almond all being pearl eyed and light coloured beaks preferred, the white flight variety were as follows red,yellow,black silver and bronze ,(Saddles),he even mentions tri-coloured birds of almond and silver gas tar marked types all of these could be found in feather leg,grouse muffed,medium muffed or long muffed or clean legged,another bird he mentioned was a badge,entirely black one side and all red the other ??,so 130 years ago birmingham flyers were definately into nice colours together with flying them,the badge was very common,he also mentions the self colours in all white,blue black etc,i think this post will run and run ,all for now , jim.
Last Edited by on Jan 02, 2007 2:25 PM
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yasir
1 post
Jan 02, 2007
2:25 PM
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hi i am yasir i am from england i have rollers pigeons and i would like to show you my pigeon by video but if you send me your email to send it for you then i can show you how they flying and how they roller i will surprise you and show you how they are really good
and i wanna show you the different between mine and yours you are gonna like it i am sure .
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yasir
2 posts
Jan 02, 2007
2:27 PM
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hi i am yasir again i forgot to give you my email ( seham456@msn.com)
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Missouri-Flyer
86 posts
Jan 02, 2007
2:29 PM
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Stan, is that your new name"yasir"? LOL ur trying to trick us huh? Jerry
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Eat, sleep, Cowboys, Pigeons... The facts of life
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Steve_uk
24 posts
Jan 02, 2007
2:31 PM
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Yasir send it me pal and ill put it up for all to see
steve_buck@hotmail.com
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W@yne
163 posts
Jan 02, 2007
2:34 PM
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Jim was it called tumbler or birmingham roller two diffrent birds completly?
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spinner jim
26 posts
Jan 02, 2007
2:41 PM
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Wayne,it was described as The Birmingham Roller,but classified under the common tumbler section of the book,the author dealt with all types of pigeon in circulation during 1876,to include short face vareties ,tipplers tumblers blowers etc,but the only illustrations are of badges and mags,which is a bit confuseing to me ???,unless he classified them to be true brs,later mate,jim.
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motherlodelofts
1260 posts
Jan 02, 2007
2:53 PM
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The breed can and does have many colors and patterns.
Scott
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motherlodelofts
1261 posts
Jan 02, 2007
3:05 PM
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Hector, the Hiltons that you are referring to go back to Archangel crosses for the shiney black , they were used as show birds , as least that the way I understand it , as for the Plonas I don't have a clue.
Scott
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Velo99
816 posts
Jan 02, 2007
3:55 PM
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Now I am gonna say it one more time. The Birmingham Roller has enough color to satisfy my taste for a colored bird. I have bred for just three years and am never at a loss for a nice marking or color.
The first Whittinghams hit Canada in 1869. So I would think some time in the prior 20-30 years we could say the breed was developed
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
Last Edited by on Jan 02, 2007 4:01 PM
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