JMHD
77 posts
Jan 11, 2007
11:33 PM
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I bred this in hen in 2006 she is built right small and typey i will make some more like her this mid feb. John M.(HDRC)So,Cal.
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DON
2 posts
Jan 18, 2007
12:35 AM
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Hi John M. I just started with a few pairs of Hugo Blaas birds. How do yours perform?
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DON
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JMHD
89 posts
Jan 18, 2007
9:07 AM
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Hey: Don they are very fast spinners with good quality and very good Depth this hen is the mother also Blaas i have gotten some good control out of these birds. Don where did you get yours from? John M.(HDRC)So,Cal.
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DON
3 posts
Jan 19, 2007
8:42 PM
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--John M
A friend sent me a few pairs to work with, I am just getting a few young birds started. I was wondering what their performance might be like.--------
DON
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diamondrollers
38 posts
Jan 24, 2007
12:23 PM
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john is your stuff of the 272 hugo blaas
cock
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JMHD
104 posts
Jan 27, 2007
7:22 AM
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Hey Diamond i have some 272 Blaas birds. I noticed you also have some Blaas birds where did you get yours from and how are they working out for you? John M.(HDRC)So,Cal.
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diamondrollers
51 posts
Jan 27, 2007
9:27 AM
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a john
i got my pair of blaas birds from Joe Kiser out of cali
that red check cock and a mealie bar hen first year ill be trying them the hen layed or first set of eggs 5 days ago ill keep you posted
sal
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DeepSpinLofts
438 posts
Mar 26, 2008
3:21 AM
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That Dun looks like the ones we have here at Deep Spin Lofts.
It figures... a few of my birds are closely related to Joe Kisers family.
Regarding Mr. Hugo Blaas... where did his family originate from? What I'm trying to say is who did he acquire his family of birds from.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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3757
695 posts
Mar 26, 2008
3:54 AM
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His original birds were directly from Bill Pensom. He later added a few of McCully's stock that were also off of Bill's stock.
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DeepSpinLofts
440 posts
Mar 26, 2008
4:00 AM
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Thanks for the information 3757. I try to learn as much as I can about Rolling Pigeons.
MEMO: The purpose of education is to replace an empty mind with an open one.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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3757
697 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:09 AM
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Deepspin - Great quote.
Scott - Nice article.
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Scott
286 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:27 AM
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Tell us more about that hen in the air !
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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PR_rollers
737 posts
Mar 26, 2008
8:02 AM
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Scott great article ,I felt those words deep..because they were deep..
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Ralph....
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kcfirl
389 posts
Mar 26, 2008
8:03 AM
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thanks Scott,
that hugo sure was a humble guy, wasn't he. LOL
I agree with the need to get the goods to start though.
Ken firl
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bigwilly
484 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:48 AM
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Great post Scott. Can you post some more great writtings by great bird men
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DeepSpinLofts
441 posts
Mar 26, 2008
10:52 AM
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My goodness..., that Mr. Haas is the ever more confident chap isn't he:
====> "By no stretch of the imagination do I feel that my birds are the first in the world, but by shear tenacity of keeping only the best that Bill Pensom had, my family is second to none."
MEMO: A conversation across the table from a wise man is better than years of study of only books.
Marcus
Deeeeeeep Spin Lofts
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155
290 posts
Mar 26, 2008
11:11 AM
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Scott:
What kind of roller's do you raise? I'm just being curious i'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything like that or even trying to cause any conflict. But great article to read. It's always good to read some history...
EVILLOFTS
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155
291 posts
Mar 26, 2008
11:11 AM
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Scott:
What kind of roller's do you raise? I'm just being curious i'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything like that or even trying to cause any conflict. But great article to read. It's always good to read some history...
EVILLOFTS
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nicksiders
2631 posts
Mar 26, 2008
12:11 PM
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I enjoyed reading the Hugo Blaas quote. He would not be well liked in today's roller world of a large population of mamby-pamby; do as you please breeders. That S.O.B. would have been called a "purist" and ran off of some sites.
Nick Siders
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Scott
287 posts
Mar 26, 2008
12:13 PM
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(Scott:
What kind of roller's do you raise?)
155 I don't understand the question ? Scott
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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George R.
426 posts
Mar 26, 2008
12:26 PM
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Scott
I think he means Your strain of birds characteristics
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155
293 posts
Mar 26, 2008
1:26 PM
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thanks george....
what i mean was what kind of strain of birds do you have...............................................
EVILLOFT'S
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Scott
288 posts
Mar 26, 2008
2:10 PM
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Actually 155 my birds are loaded with 272 and I cull many, I don't give "272" much thought though as the only thing important is what is in your loft and what those in your loft are producing.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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DeepSpinLofts
444 posts
Mar 26, 2008
2:57 PM
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This #272... was it a checque?
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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3757
699 posts
Mar 26, 2008
7:03 PM
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Marcus - It was a Red bar. Also, this is something that is never mentioned and it is that Herb Sparkes is the one who found the breeding power of 272 and made the bird known by producing champions with this cock on different hens. He owned the bird and was instructed by Howard McCully to get something off of 495. 272 was a prolific breeder of true spinners. Any one who has the 272 blood is due to Herb loaning his stock out or by purchasing it from him. He had his stock birds on loan during the time he was moving out of California.
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DeepSpinLofts
448 posts
Mar 27, 2008
3:37 AM
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Now that's interesting:
===> "Any one who has the 272 blood is due to Herb loaning his stock out or by purchasing it from him. He had his stock birds on loan during the time he was moving out of California."
McCully? 495?
Thanks for the informative feedback 3757.... I truly appreciate it. Guess I need to do some extensive research at the secondary level on McCully and 495.
From what I can gather..., back in the good ole` days there appears to have been many roller breeders seeking and hunting for the best birds derived from the Pensom family of Birmingham Rolling Pigeons.
Hmmm.....
Herb Sparkes sacrificial courtesy must have been a tremendous blessing to those in the sport who were fortunate enough to have the privilege of borrowing 272 for their breeding programs. This brings to my attention a fellow breeder around here who said he would loan me out a pre-potent cock in order to enhance my family of birds in key areas that need improvement.
MEMO: In this life we get only those things for which we hunt, for which we strive, and for which others are willing to sacrifice. It is better to aim for something that you want, even though you miss it, than to get something that you didn't aim to get..., in which you don't actually want!
.....and
If we search long enough for what we really want in life..... we are almost sure to find it.... no matter what the objective may be. It's all just a matter of time.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Scott
293 posts
Mar 27, 2008
6:11 AM
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(He had his stock birds on loan during the time he was moving out of California)
Loaned or "hid" ? it depends on who you talk too LOL
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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3757
701 posts
Mar 27, 2008
9:51 AM
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Scott - He is my friend and I believe him. Herb is one of the greatest fanciers I have ever met. I have heard all of the crap that has been said and most of it is just that caca. I hope all is well.
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Scott
296 posts
Mar 27, 2008
11:38 AM
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For the record LaRon, knowing J&J I don't buy it either.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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3757
702 posts
Mar 27, 2008
12:01 PM
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Scott - Who is J&J? Herb and I speak weekly via e-mail or phone and he has a tremendous amount of knowledge. Prior to me meeting him a lot of individuals were telling me all sorts of things that were totally untrue. I thank John Sandoval for the introduction. Scott - What is your e-mail address.
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Scott
299 posts
Mar 27, 2008
12:12 PM
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LaRon,J&J is Kiser& Borges , my email is scottc@qualitydoor.net
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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3757
703 posts
Mar 27, 2008
12:15 PM
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Got it!
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spinningdemon
88 posts
Dec 16, 2008
7:10 AM
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I went to Hugo House many times when he lived in Utah. In the article he mentioned "Pensom was never able to win a young bird fly but also never losing an old bird fly"
That is how I remember Hugo's pigeons they would fly high for an hour or so and never do a flip until they were about 8 months old then they would start doing there stuff. I do not remember Hugo ever flying in a comp in Utah. He was a very confident person just like it is written in his article.
He gave me several squeaks and told me to fly them and when they started rolling to pick the best and pair them up and then he would get me the peds. on them. Well being young I gave the birds away at about 6 months because they flew to high and did crapy loose tumbles if anything at all. Well about a year later I went to my buddies house that I gave them to and oh my goodness did I feel like a fool nice spins everywhere. So back then the birds were late bloomers. I would like to know how they are doing now and more about folks with these birds.
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David Curneal
Performance breeds since 1973
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richard.r
126 posts
Dec 16, 2008
8:03 PM
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One of my many favorites.Top side and bottom side mother, grand-mother pedigree with H.Blass blood
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spinningdemon
96 posts
Dec 18, 2008
11:29 AM
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Richard very nice bird. I am a sucker for red heads though.
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David Curneal
Performance breeds since 1973
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RodSD
121 posts
Dec 18, 2008
7:30 PM
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That article is semi-confusing to me. Does the article implies that Pensom only wanted inbreeding for his family strain? If Pensom was into racing homers, he probably won't win if he doesn't cross birds. I also don't understand what he meant by the breed can't be improved upon anymore. That seems to be contradictory from evolutionary perspective.
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