Ballrollers
622 posts
Jan 26, 2007
9:02 PM
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My neighbor took some great shots of my birds and my brothers Jacs in action. This is one of the best shots of wing-switching that I have ever seen! (My brother's Jacs of course! LOL!)
YITS,
Cliff
Last Edited by on Jan 26, 2007 9:03 PM
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Ballrollers
623 posts
Jan 26, 2007
9:06 PM
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It's also interesting how the speed of the spin lifts the feathers on the back of the neck...That's not a crest, Scott!! LOL!
YITS,
Cliff
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Ballrollers
624 posts
Jan 26, 2007
9:11 PM
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Here's some great kitting! On Earl's List they are discussing injuries that can occur to the head from contact during flilght. Notice how close the middle pair of these birds are flying...within inches!! They are almost indistinguishable! (I don't know how to add those cool little arrows!)
YITS,
Cliff
Last Edited by on Jan 26, 2007 9:12 PM
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Ballrollers
625 posts
Jan 26, 2007
9:14 PM
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In this shot there are three pair flying within inches. No wonder accidents happen!
YITS,
Cliff
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mrartg
23 posts
Jan 26, 2007
9:26 PM
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some nice birds and sharp looking pics! You got some nice shots of your birds in action.
Art Gaona
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Jimbo113
41 posts
Jan 26, 2007
9:31 PM
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Those shots are super nice Cliff. The stop action is amazing and yeah what a shot of wingchanging. Good shooting.
Jimbo
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Blackbadge
5 posts
Jan 26, 2007
9:42 PM
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Beautiful pics and birds.
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STARFIRE
306 posts
Jan 26, 2007
9:47 PM
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-Hey Cliff:
Superb Pictures.Very sharp.What kind of camera and lens were used?
STARFIRE
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motherlodelofts
1322 posts
Jan 26, 2007
10:04 PM
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Those are some really cool pictures Cliff !! As for the one on top , I think that is way beyond wingswitching LOL
Scott
Last Edited by on Jan 26, 2007 10:06 PM
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luis
140 posts
Jan 26, 2007
10:44 PM
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Incredible pictures(were you on a chopper when u took um..LOL,i can count the damn flight feathers on the birds) and great looking birds to boot !!!
Last Edited by on Jan 26, 2007 10:50 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1097 posts
Jan 26, 2007
10:45 PM
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Those are some great images Cliff. Those birds you mentioned being really close to one another aren't as close as they appear. The telephoto lens compresses distance, especially within a narrow focal length to give the impression of "flatness". Your friend was using a 400mm lens on that EOS-1DMK2 camera which greatly increases the flattening effect.
Nice healthy looking lads. I don't think the one at the top is necesarily wing switching, I am more inclined to believe it simply just coming into the roll.
Last Edited by on Jan 26, 2007 10:49 PM
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W@yne
214 posts
Jan 26, 2007
11:01 PM
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Great pictures you took there Cliff
The first picture wing switching i don't know about that looks more like trying to dance the can can Lol Like Brian said it could be the start of throwing itself into the roll. Keep the pictures coming Cliff really great quality pictures.
regards
W@yne uk
Last Edited by on Jan 26, 2007 11:25 PM
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kcfirl
35 posts
Jan 27, 2007
5:03 AM
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Cliff,
fantastic pictures - thank you for sharing them. IS that an almond I see in the kit?
Ken
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Velo99
879 posts
Jan 27, 2007
5:52 AM
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Whatever it is wasn`t cheap. I bet 800-1200 camera.Got to be at least a 10-12 megapix for it to be that clear. Mine is 5 and nowhere close to that. Shutter speed is realy fast too, for a long shot to be that clear.
Nice rig, whatever it is.
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
Last Edited by on Jan 27, 2007 5:59 AM
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Missouri-Flyer
118 posts
Jan 27, 2007
6:00 AM
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On the 3rd pic. The red that is going into the roll middle left looks as if saying "ok, is everyone clear cuz I am busting loose here" with his head tilted. Jerry
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Eat, sleep, Cowboys, Pigeons... The facts of life
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classicpony
86 posts
Jan 27, 2007
6:31 AM
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Impressed!! 100% Impressed!! That's a great job taking those pix. Got any more for us?? I would luv to see them.
Jim
@birdhouse
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1100 posts
Jan 27, 2007
9:17 AM
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Kenny, actually the body of that camera alone runs just over 6k, the lens is another 3k, so with the power drive and cards, it is easily a 9-10K set up. I have several friends with that gear. The camera is 16mp, full frame.
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MILO
136 posts
Jan 27, 2007
10:17 AM
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Excellent pics! Must have missed this post...LOL BMC caliber! I can't even take as good when they are standing...LOL
c
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smokey
110 posts
Jan 27, 2007
10:59 AM
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great pic,s. thanks for shareing. smokey
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Velo99
882 posts
Jan 27, 2007
11:33 AM
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Dang!!
I have been surfing cameras this morning and was really surprised at how high res some of them are. Just like cars speed is money. Been trying to decide. If I was gonna spend 1000-1200 bux would I get camcorder or digital cam? Would be a hard choice since stills can be ripped from the video.
I think video would be an excellent way to analyze ones birds performance. Provided the resoultion on the camera is adequate. (money)
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V99
Good spinners don`t always
make good breeders.
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
Last Edited by on Jan 27, 2007 11:47 AM
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belle
125 posts
Jan 27, 2007
2:59 PM
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Cool pics
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Shaun
430 posts
Jan 27, 2007
3:04 PM
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Kenny, you have to know what you're aiming for. I do a lot of both stills and video; one minute I'm deeply into the moving stuff (good audio making all the difference), then the next I'm into stills. At the moment, I'm digitally polishing my archive of scanned film from medium format, because photo libraries now want everything digitised.
From the still picture perspective, I would say that this is the big point which doesn't seem to get mentioned: it all depends on what you ultimately want from the pictures you take - and you need to decide that in advance what settings you use. If you have a camera capable of taking extremely high resolution pictures, it's wasted if you then set it simply to get as many pics as possible on your memory card.
Also, the resolution of your average PC monitor is but a fraction of what would be needed, say, if your picture were to be printed in a published magazine. So, a shot which looks sharp online (necesarily reduced in filesize so it loads quickly) would probably be hopeless if were blown up for publication. But, let's bring it down to the more usual level; most people won't be looking to have their pics published, but they might well want to print some of them out to hand around. But, the next question would be - what size do you want? Again, if it's a holiday-type print which you'll hold in your hands, your needs aren't too demanding and you don't need mega-resolution from your digital camera to get that. However, take that up to poster size, to hang on your wall, whilst also expecting to maintain decent quality, and your digital camera hardware requirements (cost!) will exponentially increase.
There's actually no big deal in freezing the action of rollers when the light's good. Pretty well any camera will do that - whether it be traditional film-based or digital. However, the cost of the lens which brings the action up close could well cause your wife to divorce you! These chunks of glass which draw things closer or, conversely give you the very wide view - or let in more light when levels are low - have traditionally been the serious photographer's main expense.
As for video, when it comes to rollers, be prepared for disappointment. Even a few grand only buys you a camera capable of recording 25-30 (UK or US) frames per second, and it just isn't enough. Video cameras were developed to record everyday events, not high-speed pigeon rolling. I recently recorded some rollers on videotape (decent camcorder), then digitised the footage onto my AppleMac, using industry-standard software. I then observed the results of the rolling in slow motion. It was crap. The human eye is easily fooled, which is why it only takes the equivalent of 25-30 shots per second to make you think you're watching real movement. Trouble is, a decent roller moves far more quickly, so the camcorder can only record part of it. To do it properly, seriously expensive kit - which can record far more information - is called for. I do look forward to the day when rollers can properly be recorded on video, with reasonably priced gear.
Sorry for all that - I'd just stuck our latest Frasier series 5 in the DVD player, ready to watch, when I was ordered over the phone by the wife and kids, to hang fire till they came in - so, I had a bit of time to kill.
Shaun
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luis
142 posts
Jan 27, 2007
6:26 PM
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Hey Cliff-is that an ALMOND in your kit??????????????Damn color breeders!!! LOL...LOL
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JMHD
106 posts
Jan 27, 2007
7:40 PM
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Cliff Sharp pictures man. John M.(HDRC)So,Cal.
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Ballrollers
626 posts
Jan 27, 2007
8:12 PM
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List,
Thanks, everyone, glad you are enjoying them! Good eyes, Ken and Luis....that's an almond....he's about a 10 footer....on the verge of getting the ax!!
BMC,
Pretty good estimate of the equipment! Its a Canon EOS, Mark II, with a 70-200 mm IS ED lens and a Canon exptender EF ZX II multiplier to 400 mm, at 1/2000 s @ F 5.6, ISO 640. About $9-10K worth of equipment! A new neighbor just moved in...She and her husband are professional photographers. She just loves the performance of the birds and wants some shots. She hated these.....says she will do better next time!! LOL! You should see the high resolution version before she shrunk them for e-mail! They'd make some great prints!!Here are some more guys!
Cliff
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Ballrollers
627 posts
Jan 27, 2007
8:17 PM
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Here are some miscellaneous rolling shots....
Cliff
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Ballrollers
628 posts
Jan 27, 2007
8:18 PM
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Ballrollers
629 posts
Jan 27, 2007
8:25 PM
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Let's try the slide show thing.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Jan 27, 2007 8:44 PM
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Ballrollers
630 posts
Jan 27, 2007
8:31 PM
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Another slide show....we loose a lot of resolution in the slide shows. Let me know if anyone wants a still of any of them.
Cliff
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Ballrollers
631 posts
Jan 27, 2007
8:34 PM
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You guys gettin' bored yet? LOL! Cliff
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Ballrollers
632 posts
Jan 27, 2007
8:38 PM
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One more after this and I'll stop! Cliff
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Ballrollers
633 posts
Jan 27, 2007
8:41 PM
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Last one, guys......and these are just the ones we kept!!! LOL!
Cliff
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Ballrollers
634 posts
Jan 27, 2007
8:46 PM
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Did any of the slide shows come out? I can't see them on my computer for some reason!
Cliff
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slc
1 post
Jan 27, 2007
9:39 PM
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Cliff
They all look great, nice camera work.
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luis
143 posts
Jan 27, 2007
10:30 PM
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Nice slide show Cliff and great looking birds once again.I wish i had a pro photographer next door !!I don't think my birds would look as nice as yours though.
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W@yne
222 posts
Jan 27, 2007
11:32 PM
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Cliff
Awesome pictures thoroughly enjoyed the slide shows i liked the still of the smokey self blue bar Cliff in the last lot of photos that's book quality.Could you email that picture Cliff.
regards W@yne uk
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Ballrollers
636 posts
Jan 29, 2007
3:02 PM
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Wayne,
Let me know if that smokey blue bar pic came through ok, privately. I imported it from photobucket...don't have it downloaded on this computer, yet. Is this the one? He is a young bird; an unusual bird....started out as a constant flipper, but fought to keep up with the kit. Then he started rolling 30 ft., then he started bumping. Now he's stiff with a few 10 footers...I don't know where he'll end up! The sad part is that out of 150 birds I raised, he is the one bird that I can find absolutley no record of in my register!! I will be a little ticked if he turns anything special! LOL!
YITS,
Cliff
Last Edited by on Jan 29, 2007 3:12 PM
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Ballrollers
637 posts
Jan 29, 2007
3:30 PM
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Again, thanks everyone for the compliments on the birds and the pics. My pick out of this kit (my '06 B-kit) is the black badge at the top right of each photo. She is a nice typey hen out of a pair from Joe Bob (a black bar cock from his World Cup kit on the booted blue lace that I posted about in the discussion about Joe's famly of birds); a really fast and clean 20 footer that always flies at the top front of the kit. She's ready for a promotion!! See the color is there Nick. Ya just can't always see it!! LOL!
YITS,
Cliff
Last Edited by on Jan 29, 2007 3:31 PM
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W@yne
230 posts
Jan 29, 2007
10:12 PM
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That is an awsome picture of a roller in flight cliff.Yes thats the one.
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