Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
987 posts
Feb 04, 2007
6:39 AM
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Fellows.I have some kit birds I want to get a few rounds of eggs from and then return them to the Kit box.I plan on fostering the eggs.How long after laying the last round of eggs would it be safe to fly the roller again without causing harm to her by having eggs inside her yet?
I have heard that they seem to settle in better after breeding from them.Is this on younger birds or any kit birds? Or should I let them feed out the last round of eggs?
I do know that it takes mine around 4 to 6 weeks to get back in shape for laying after stocking them.David
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Hector Coya
109 posts
Feb 04, 2007
6:45 AM
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I tried putting bird's back in the kit after 2 round's of eggs,without letting them rais the young,
I found it hard to resettle the birds,about half end up rolling down the first day in the air and die.
My opinion.
Hector C
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motherlodelofts
1373 posts
Feb 04, 2007
7:37 AM
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"I have heard that they seem to settle in better after breeding from them."
Dave , what does this mean ? as for reflying , I don't even think about it , they go immediatly into the kitbox , if they can't handle it I don't need them , or whatever I just fostered out of them for that matter.
Hector, if I had birds fall apart on me like that because I bred out of them , I would cull them and everything that was bred out of them , and then try and figure out where the problem came from.
Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 04, 2007 7:47 AM
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Hector Coya
110 posts
Feb 04, 2007
9:13 AM
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Scott
Thats why i dont fly a bird i put away,
I said about half,i think thay have too much roll and held back and fed all they can eat on the breeding loft they tend to get too exited on the first day and tend to hit,
at least i know they had roll when i put them away,
usualy if i stock a bird it's been in the kit a hole year without rolling down,when they breed they tend to put on waight and out of shape i dont expect them to get in shape the first day .thats why they seem to bo too deep when not flown.
Some bird may not even roll as good as when you stocked them the first time,i rather see roll than wait for it to come back.
Hector C
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Mongrel Lofts
260 posts
Feb 04, 2007
9:17 AM
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Dave,
The year I won the 11 bird National title I had a pair I pulled off babies and flew in that team.. They were on their 2nd round.. I pulled the cock from the kit and let him feed his young everyday.. Didn't seam to effect these two at all.. After that season, I stocked the pair as all four of those young ended up in my A team.. One of those has been pulled for stock.. I bred her and the best cock I was Flying #11 last year. Then I pulled them both and flew them in this years 11 and 20 bird team.. Scored 234 pts, in the 11. Not bad but not good enough to win.. So I would say it depends on your stock and what kind of character they are bred from.. If they are bred from controlled by the roll heat, not in control of the roll.. Bumping and kiting will be a problem.. When trying to re fly stock birds in comp kits, you must consider the individual birds, and their make up.. Just my opinion,, KGB
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Hector Coya
112 posts
Feb 04, 2007
9:25 AM
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Verry true Kenny
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
988 posts
Feb 04, 2007
10:53 AM
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I am not concerned about weither they can handle the roll or readjust to the Kit.I want to know if there is still eggs in her that are formed that would cause her harm with rolling.How long after laying is she able to go back out and not hurt her insides?
Kenny.Good to see you had a few minutes to answer.I heard you were working your tail off.Are you getting any fly time in? David
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bman
206 posts
Feb 04, 2007
11:39 AM
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David,
Good question,I would like to hear some answers too!
Having limited resources(damn few birds)lol
I pulled several pair of kit birds to use as fosters and would like to know about putting them back in the kit also.
(egg wise)
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Ron
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nicksiders
1349 posts
Feb 04, 2007
12:10 PM
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David,
I have had three birds spin an egg out of them. On one occasion the bird did not recover. I have been told by a vet. friend that it is often harmful depending where in the process the egg is in. The closer it is to the actual laying the less problem it will cause the hen.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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Mongrel Lofts
261 posts
Feb 04, 2007
12:16 PM
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Guy's.
Sorry I miss understood the question.. You just can't fly the hens if they are eggy.. Experience will teach you to know a hen is eggy by looking.. Good rule of thumb, pull the hen from the breeding loft when the young are 10 days old and let her set for week then fly.. No risk of losing one to spinning out the egg sack.. KGB
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Mongrel Lofts
262 posts
Feb 04, 2007
12:18 PM
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Guy's.
Sorry I miss understood the question.. You just can't fly the hens if they are eggy.. Experience will teach you to know a hen is eggy by looking.. Good rule of thumb, pull the hen from the breeding loft when the young are 10 days old and let her set for week then fly.. No risk of losing one to spinning out the egg sack.. KGB
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motherlodelofts
1384 posts
Feb 04, 2007
5:32 PM
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Dave , if you are fostering and you yank the hen after soon after laying I would'nt worry about it , giving the birds a quick glance before releasing is always a good idea especially once it warms up and the hormones kick in.
Yes Hector , accidents can happen once put back out , but 50 0/0 killing themselfs ?
Myself, I try to refly birds that have been stocked , to reproove themselfs , espessialy if they were only flown one season , that just isn't enough time in my book , the second year on is when you truely know whats what.
Scott
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
989 posts
Feb 04, 2007
5:54 PM
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Scott,Kenny, everyone else.Thanks for the info.If anyone else has any thing to add I would sure appreciate it.I have a few good hens that I really don't need in the breeding Loft yet but they are to good not to get some young from them before something happens to them.Couple are 2 years old and one is almost 3 years old.I am wanting to breed from them while Winter is still here and put them back out to fly this Spring.Lost 2 good ones from this kit to Hawks this Winter and it has me a little on edge about losing the others before I have young from them.I thought this kit was Hawk smart but I had an old Cooper that was a master at catching them.(Edited by moderator)LOL. David
Last Edited by on Jun 02, 2007 6:22 AM
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