Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1072 posts
Feb 04, 2007
5:27 PM
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Hey Scott and other active Birmingham Roller enthusiasts, I have a feeling that we are all being baited by certain color roller guys and thier supporters from another site in an effort to get visitors and supporters of Roller-Pigeon.Com fed up with the endless arguing and bickering over color and what actually IS a Birmingham Roller and get them to go over to slobberknockers site.
I am piecing together some patterns I am seeing including taunting emails I am getting from the owner of slobberknockers site and I think we are all being setup and played for fools.
You are in the middle of it now with Rocky. I am being taunted with emails from slobberknockers. It seems so obvious to me now.
I did not realize people could be so evil just over us trying to defend the Birmingam Roller as a breed.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by on Feb 04, 2007 5:27 PM
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motherlodelofts
1385 posts
Feb 04, 2007
5:42 PM
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Tony , funny I have been suspecting that myself , in fact I threw out something along the line of them filtering in from Slobbernazi and I beleive that it was Rocky that denied it.
But there has just been a couple of tibits, and down right make no sence things written that have those dummies from Slobbernazi written all over it.
What is funny is that it is no secret that those clowns over there aren't too bright, and then to come in here and spread obvious stupidity really makes them look even more like lost souls.
Scott
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Santandercol
731 posts
Feb 04, 2007
6:51 PM
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I try to just ignore all this colour crap.Black,red,white,blue & silver is all I care about.Roll like stink and don't get snagged by them preds.Stay in sight too!!!
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Kelly
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scotty
47 posts
Feb 04, 2007
7:19 PM
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I wouldn't pay .10$ to a crossbred roller.It is an insult to the tru spinning Birmingham roller. Scotty
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longarm
67 posts
Feb 04, 2007
8:00 PM
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I have a few things to say on this subject tony. first the comments that scott made a while back concerning my deep birds and the attempt to work a standerd for them made me mad enough to come back and defend my position. Haveing done so I have enjoyed my time here and will stay here as long as it is informitive first as well as entertaining.
Second I went back 15 pages in your archives and I count 8 threads started by you of which 50% were color based arguments. While I take no personal offence to these I think the baiting issue goes both ways. Yea there may be a few color breeders stiring the pot but I can think of a few folks ( non color breeders ) who enjoy stiring it as much or more. I read somewhere that being winter and most on lockdown this is how we entertain ourselves.
I understand that haveing one of your hard and fast non color guys demonstrate huge guts and post info showing the other colors of birms long before the alleged dasterdly deed can be a bit disconcerning.
The owner of the other site is a man I consider a friend and cant imagine him taunting anyone but as I am neither there or in his house I cant state facts but it seems a bit out of character for the man I know.
I understand that rollers and this site are a bussiness for you and respect your right to earn a living but remeber you have opened a forum to those who do it for a hobby and there for aproach these topics with more passion than focused logic.
After reading your post I reread the posts made by some of these newer guys and I have yet to be able to find any similarities in either typeing, grammer or spelling to anyone I am familiar with one the other site. It is possable that The law of opposites applies here and these guys are as strongly opionated as others and wish a chance to debate their side.
These are mearly my thoughts and observations on this subject c.j.
Post script: Just ignore the black choppers they wont hurt a thing LOL
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Heyyou
92 posts
Feb 04, 2007
8:23 PM
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Again, color does not matter, Repeat, color does not matter. Do they roll and correctly? If the answer is yes, then you got a keeper, doesn't matter if its purple.
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knaylor
447 posts
Feb 04, 2007
8:24 PM
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Tony, I think you are 100% right!!! There are a few honest roller guys that breed the color birds and see them clearly for what they are. Some of them dont I call it living in Slobber Land!! LOL the stuff they do over there isnt good or right because they are not honest, and most dont even know whats going on!!LOL Heck block Slobs emails like he did me. I did not say anything personal about him just the truth and they cant handle the truth!! Keep up the great work on this great roller site!!
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1074 posts
Feb 04, 2007
8:52 PM
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Hey c.j., thanks for responding and expressing your thoughts on this topic. You're right, I do bring up various topics, some even controversial. In my posting policy I even encourage controversial topics as long as they are respectfully handled.
I think you will also notice, my posts are very respectful and carefully worded so as NOT to offend.
I make no secret that I am of the opinion that the Birmingham Roller is a breed, at the same time I do not put down those who use non-performance traits such as color in thier birds. I would challenge anyone to find where I insulted someone for color breeding. I don't do it.
I don't hover over every post and ponder if someone has gone too far. Once in a while I or a Moderator will see some post or thread and will do something, but to a certain degree, the Internet is still a pretty wild place to hang out. To a certain extent, I think the free flow of opinion is what most of the members of this site do enjoy and learn from.
I also enjoy a good "debate" especially over the color issue as I have yet to hear an intellectually satisfying reason as to why I would want to introduce opal or qualmond or some other mongrelized (regarding the BR) color to my family of birds if my focus is performance.
Even if the Birmingham Roller was not a breed, I would still breed for performance and because of this, I just cannot see a logical reason to add these controversial colors when the VERY ACT of doing so moves my stock AWAY from the so-called performance standard that even a color breeder would say is his goal (...inconceivable rapidity...).
Also, as I have had opportunity to hear from knowledgable fanciers as Scott Campbell, David Strait, Brian McCormick, Cliff Ball, et al, I am able to "refine" my views and opinions and knowledge based on the increased information I gather from these kinds of threads and posts.
So far, it is actually easier for me to have the opinion that the Birmingham Roller IS a breed due to what I have seen so far.
As for emails I have received, I keep every one. I do share some with my Moderators from time to time and very well may with this recent episode. I make sure I can prove what I say as I am aware of the possible legal implications of my words (most of the time! Okay, some of the time, okay, rarely. LOL)
When someone tells me something like "hey, I'm a christian", I have expectations. These emails, left me hurt and dissapointed.
Friendly competition is one thing, being sarcastic and nasty and not letting something rest is another thing entirely.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Frankie
90 posts
Feb 04, 2007
10:47 PM
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Tony I do not know about people being drove away I have only been here about 2 weeks now and I have been told by several people on this site that I should go to Slobber-knockers and that other people like me should too and if I was not so stubborn I probably would have done that I never was one to do what I was told lol I think this is a great site with the exception of a few people I agree with several other people if you had to pay to post then it would probably hurt you in the long run especially when there is other free sites that is just a click away debates and discussions are a good thing but name calling and disrespect for other people are not good and I know that I have been guilty of that over the last couple of days but when people are allowed to push your buttons you can either sit back and take it and turn the other cheek or you can do as I was raised and that is when somebody comes at you and disrespects you;you come back at them and show them no respect I personally think if you want to change something about it you may have to get a little stricter on your posting policy and quit letting a few people slide like the old saying goes if you do not have anything good to say then do not say anything at all if you can not answer someones question on here without disrespect or name calling then do not answer there is plenty of other people on here to answer it you do not have to answer every post even if you think you know everything Thanks Frankie
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MILO
155 posts
Feb 04, 2007
11:59 PM
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Different people react differently. If someone is as stubborn as you, they will fire right back and nothing good can come of it. Sometimes you should show restraint, and when it get's personal, it's hard to do.
c
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
991 posts
Feb 05, 2007
3:11 AM
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Tony.When I first read you post my First thought was not to get involved with it.None of my business.But the more I thought about it I decided to say what was on my mind anyway.
First you know who signs in to your site so you know who is posting.Or at least a good idea. Right?
Second on one hand you invite the Color Topics and Pure BR topics but on the other now you are saying some are being baited into discussing them.Has this turned into a Personal thing with Slobberknockers?
Rather than air your feelings to the world that you suspect this is happening wouldn't it have been easier to contact Scott and a few other's that have always responded to this type of post and told them to not respond?
Scott and a few others have always been open with their feelings with the way they believe and I and a few others have always been open about the other side ever since this site was started.
I just don't understand where you are coming from.I belong to the other site and I hope anything I have posted here wasn't taken as taunting you. David
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C.J.
917 posts
Feb 05, 2007
3:51 AM
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I have to agree I was around the last time this site went private and it wasn't pretty. This is just a phase and it will pass. The site is a way of adverising and every business has advertising costs. I think you need to tighten up the posting policy have us moderators start deleting and reporting infractions. I also think we all need to not be baited into stupid colour debates. In the end it is your site but I feel it would be a costly mistake.
C.J.
Site Moderator
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belle
150 posts
Feb 05, 2007
6:39 AM
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Tony I do not know about people being drove away I have only been here about 2 weeks now and I have been told by several people on this site that I should go to Slobber-knockers and that other people like me should too"
That is how new and old people are being drove away, this color thing works both ways. If you don't like color you don't have to post on that forum move on to the next, as for Scott being baited in to drive visitors away Scott is a big boy he only has to take the bait if he wants to. Who do you kick off people doing the baiting or people taking the bait? Why kick any body off?
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luis
161 posts
Feb 05, 2007
8:36 PM
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I don't believe there's any baiting going on.We are just simply stating our opinions and sometimes having a little fun with it,sometimes letting our emotions get the best of us... but that's human nature!If we all respected each other things would be a lot different!Unfortunately i'm starting to think that if your views are different your going to experience some name calling and disrespect because of it.That's to bad!I for one plan on taking a leave of absence.To much BS going on!
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nicksiders
1353 posts
Feb 05, 2007
8:54 PM
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We have to be cautious about removing anyone from the site because many disagree with what they post That is something that the "other" site does with regularity. They give you a bunch of rules that you must conduct yourself under and then they agressivly montitor your behavior in all sites, not just theirs. You are also heavily censored within that site.
This is what I would hate to see happen to this site.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
Last Edited by on Feb 05, 2007 8:56 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1089 posts
Feb 05, 2007
9:17 PM
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Hey Kuis and Belle, if you saw the emails I have received, you would understand why I say "baiting" is going on.
Luis, don't leave because of the BS, it was planned by a few evil people so that you WOULD leave. Just hang in there.
When people intentionally push other peoples buttons to get a negative response from them, that is evil and that is manipulative and it is wrong.
Don't back down to cowards who hide behind the net to hatch their evil plots. (black helicopters optional (inside joke)
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1090 posts
Feb 05, 2007
9:21 PM
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Hey Nick, people are only suspended or removed from the site when they abuse the posting policy, not for disagreeing with one another.
I have to make those decisions and so far only 1 person (I'm sorry, make that 2) has been suspended in the last 6 months or so.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by on Feb 06, 2007 7:54 AM
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belle
153 posts
Feb 06, 2007
7:44 AM
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Hey Luis and Belle, if you saw the emails I have received, you would understand why I say "baiting" is going on.
So there is more to the story then what we see on the forum, that explains a lot.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1099 posts
Feb 06, 2007
8:00 AM
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Hey Belle, yeah there is stuff off the forum that goes on, I have been accused of sending "spies" to other sites to check on them. I HAVE NOT! EVER!
I could care less what other sites do. If I did, I would go there myself and check it out and WOULD NOT hide the fact. Trust me!
However, I have been told by someone who would DOES know, that "...8 or 9..." spies have been sent here by another site to be able to keep an eye on things.
What kind of childishness is THAT!?
That's all I want to say at this point.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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belle
155 posts
Feb 06, 2007
8:11 AM
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If someone has enough time to do all that they need more birds.LOL I didn't know that there was a roller pigeon war going on if I see any thief pouters around my loft I will just shoot them.LOL
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MILO
158 posts
Feb 06, 2007
8:25 AM
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OMG Tony. Are you serious? LOL One of the main reasons I was lured to this site was the "feel-good" attitude from everyone. As your site began to increase in popularity, the more the trolls began to show up. I recently find myself feeling angry after reading certain threads. It's almost as if they are already pissed before they start typing. I really am sorry for all this Tony. I don't read the threads as much...I have enough things to get my blood boiling. I do however have a "mental" list of people I never want to meet in this hobby now...LOL I don't know what I would say to some of these guys at the convention. Surely they will be there to stir up trouble too. What a sad state of things. On a side note, you can learn a lot about a certain persons intentions and character from how they post, and just as much from those who don't. I am really surprised in a few guys that could have stopped this early in the game, but chose to let it boil over. Amazing.
c
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1143 posts
Feb 06, 2007
10:00 AM
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Some of ya'll need to just grow the f#$k up and not worry about what someone said, who is "watching" or who is trolling. It's the Freakin' Internet for gawd sakes!!!!!!!
Drama queens.
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Missouri-Flyer
204 posts
Feb 06, 2007
10:29 AM
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Tony wrote:
Hey Kuis and Belle, if you saw the emails I have received, you would understand why I say "baiting" is going on.
Tony, are these emails from individuals that are posting on this site regulars, or emails from people "outside" of this forum? If from the outside, why would it make a difference as to what goes on "inside" of this forum? Those that choose to sneak in and see what is going on, then head off to another site "which I have NEVER looked at!" has to much time on their hands, and needs to do as Brian stated, and grow the %$#K up!!!!!!!
As far as baiting goes, the gentlemen here "scott" that is supposedly being baited is a grown man and can choose to be baited, or be the baiter..LOL...If he is to be the baiter, then contact me so I can help, as I am a grown man and can more than handle myself....Jerry
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Eat, sleep, Cowboys, Pigeons... The facts of life
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bman
207 posts
Feb 06, 2007
10:55 AM
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My observations.
Baiting;only works if you choose to take the bait.
Driving away forum users;By not answering there questions
Spies;On an open forum?how does that work?
Controversy;Not a problem till profanity and name callin
become the major objective.
A couple of other general observations would include.
Stupidity= Repeating the same action over and over expecting different results.
Respect;Not easily earned and even harder to retrieve once lost.
Disclaimers;If your intent is malicious,mean or disrespectfull than no amount of LOL,LMAO,JMHO or IMHO is going to mask it.
The above are MY opinons only! And that is the only disclaimer here.
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Ron
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1100 posts
Feb 06, 2007
11:24 AM
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Yes, gentlemen, I am minding my own business when all this stuff came up. I am saying that some of these quotes are taken from emails received. They came from one person and you would probably be shocked to know who it is.
The word "spies" was used by this other person. I am using his word to describe what he says he did. A "spy" can be a "plant" to ask questions designed to get some people to respond and piss people off to tire of the atmosphere and get people to LEAVE THIS SITE and join the koombya site.
In order to not "take the bait", you have to first know that it IS bait and not just another hapless post.
If someone was f&%$king with your paycheck and trying to take the food out of your families mouth what would you do? Turn your back?
I'll respond to the rest later...
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Missouri-Flyer
206 posts
Feb 06, 2007
11:41 AM
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when it comes to providing for my family, and person or people attempting to get in the way of that, my one answer would be to: Stay clear, because a can of whoop ass is about to open....BUT, being in law enforcement, I have to wait to take out my frustrations on those that I have to arrest and break the laws we live by, in a "civil" manner of course..LOL
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Keep it simple and to the point. If it doesnt involve you, keep quiet.
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Oldfart
30 posts
Feb 06, 2007
1:45 PM
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Tony,
Hitchcock,AirWolf,or Black Ops? :-)
Thom
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