Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1073 posts
Feb 04, 2007
5:41 PM
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I am seriously considering making All Roller Talk a subscription discussion board due to the chicanery of some very evil-minded persons.
Certain people seem to be taking advantage of our very liberal posting policy to bait our strong minded and strong willed members to argue over color breeding in rollers and what IS a Birmingham Roller.
As most of you know, this website is how my family earns our living. I can't afford to have small minded people sabatoge this site for their own personal satisfaction or vendetta.
My liberal posting policy is not a suicide note (LOL). I would like to get some feedback both pro and con on what you think of this possible solution or if you have some of your own.
I think we went down this road before when I acted on my own. Only a few probably remember this. This time I am throwing it out there for some discussion. I can't wait to hear from you.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Richard A.
100 posts
Feb 04, 2007
5:45 PM
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Tony, why can't you just ban all trouble makers?
Richard
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smokey
114 posts
Feb 04, 2007
5:54 PM
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there would only be color breeders here
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MILO
152 posts
Feb 04, 2007
6:16 PM
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Smokey.
Those are exactly the kind of comments Tony is talking about. Way to come out of the woodwork. Good idea Tony.
c
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motherlodelofts
1386 posts
Feb 04, 2007
6:19 PM
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Tony , I don't think it's a good idea , nor would I ban them like Slobber does just because they are made to look silly.
It doesn't but take a few posts to expose these guys as their knowledge doesn't go any deeper than my three year old Grand daughter has for understanding the mechanics of a kit.
There is still plenty for the new guys to learn as what come's out is thought provoking that wouldn't have came out other wise.
Scott
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scotty
46 posts
Feb 04, 2007
6:52 PM
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I would be willing to pay .25$ to post a message.This would eleminate the cheap shots that dont make to mutch sence anyways. I do apreciate the fredom to express thoughts on rollers on this site.Thank you Tony,Scotty
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C.J.
916 posts
Feb 04, 2007
6:57 PM
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Tony I agree with Scott. I don't think it is a good idea to go private. I think the openes is only going to bring in new business. This too will pass. I just say we start editing taunting posts and eliminating trouble makers. Maybe even freeze the new membership thing for a little while. Or if we see some posts from certain undesirables imediately delete the thread.
C.J.
Site Moderator
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Hayseedboy
25 posts
Feb 04, 2007
7:13 PM
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Tony,
I say it's Your Dog and it's Your Collar. Lead this thing how you want! Ban them. This is a free country with free speach BUT, this forum is privately owned... THEREFORE, you are the boss. Ban them. If you feel that there are those taking to agressive of a stance. Ban them. If all they want to do is argue and you are tired of it. Ban them.
There are several other internet forums that I have participated with in the past. They are not free. Someone has to pay for the server space and bandwidth used. You should do as you please without explaination and without worry.
Ban them!
Larry "Ban Them" Randolph
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tapp
188 posts
Feb 04, 2007
7:24 PM
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I"d leave it the way it is. Im nickel and dimed to death as is! As long as your up Tony give be a total with shipping for 25 rpdc 07 bands and 50 paper nest bowls I have to pay by check as I dont have a credit card. shipping add. for shipping coast is Reading mi. 49274. Thanks in addvance. PS if I have to pay to be on here I'd be gone!
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Tapp
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rollerpigeon1963
138 posts
Feb 04, 2007
7:36 PM
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Tony,
The site is yours but I believe if you charge you might turn away the trouble makers. But you will also turn away so of the regulars on this site. Now if the regulars turn away from this site they will find another forum. And if they are true regulars they will pull the others that way.
Now if this site is your bread and butter then I would doubt you would turn anyone away. I will tell you first hand its hard to get people back to a site that they got turned away from.
Another thing if you think about charging for this. Then others will think your trying to make a faster buck. A self-promoter looking to make money any way he can from his hobby.
I know you said that the birds is how you make your living. I never knew there was that much money a person can make off of pigeon. But I wish you the best.
Thanks Brian Middaugh
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knaylor
449 posts
Feb 04, 2007
8:28 PM
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Tony, this site is great and trust me just because a few of those guys try and cause trouble many many more get lots of valuable info from here. Plus who knows maybe someone from Slobber Land might read something that will open their eyes!! LOL
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belle
147 posts
Feb 04, 2007
9:11 PM
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Tony, I also don't think it is a good idea, nor going around delete threads, because to many people would get mad and give up. As for the arguing over color thing I think that will never go away. It won't go away just because you have to pay for it, and you will most likely lose most of the people on here if you have to subscribe. There are to many other roller forums out there for free, if I was a new guy and looked up roller forums and clicked yours and saw a fee I would pass on to the next. But I think it could bring in some of the bigger names of the roller sport.
I'm not a color breeder I just have a few rollers with color, are they as good as Scott's I know there not, but this is only my third year breeding I bet none of my birds are as good, well I'm not as good,LOL most of you know where I got my birds and I think the guy I got them from is better, but I think Scott is on his way of becoming a great or he better now or I look dumb.LOL I think color will be a part of rollers many years from now, just like muffs are now, just because a bird is muffed dose not mean it can't roll right? I liked what Scott said in a post before I think he said color can roll but they aren't glued together right it went something like that. So I have to start breeding my birds to glue right or do I feed it to them?LOL
That is something else people have argued about "feed". Arguing will never go away as long as there are different options, even if you have to pay for it. Just my option LOL
Justin
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trevsta65
51 posts
Feb 04, 2007
9:50 PM
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i have been coming to this site for about a year and a bit now as you may have noticed i havent posted a lot of messages as i use this site to gain knowledge from performance breeders when i feel the need to ask a question i do . but i have gained a vast quantity of knowledge by reading some very helpful posts. there are many a person here that know there stuff which helps a great deal . so i would be a bit shitty if i had to pay for the privlage to do so just because of some particular people that just want to get up others noses in the regards of colours or crest muffs etc,etc, u want them things go buy some show birds and leave the best birds going around to the rest of us.cheers trev
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Alohazona
233 posts
Feb 04, 2007
11:17 PM
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Tony,
You know I'm not a big poster,but have been around this site for several years.I have learned alot here and continue to keep learning.
From a business aspect, I see your business picking up momentum and finding it's niche.This site is informative,easy to navigate,and easy to access.If you start taking away those elements it could go the other way on ya,which you really don't need.Keep your steady progress, going strong,sidestep these baiter's,sick your moderators on them,and don't give it a second thought or let it rent space in your head.
This site is second to none!!! There's no reason to change anything,sour grapes guys GO AWAY!!!...Aloha,Todd
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rollerman132
59 posts
Feb 04, 2007
11:29 PM
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To be honest, I don’t think anyone would pay to read the opinions of others. I feel that the color controversy has become very stale and should be discarded. Can you change the views of others on color? Can you stop others from crossing their birds with other breeds for color? No, so why try? I personally feel that it will hurt the breed (Birmingham Roller) in the long run, but that’s just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions. Do what you must, but don’t say I didn’t warn you.
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KNIFEMAKER
14 posts
Feb 04, 2007
11:40 PM
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Tony, I also do not post much on your forum but I do spend alot of time on the weekends reading what others post and learning from the content. I have learned to look past the b.s. and gather what I feel I need to go on in the hobby. When I found this forum I would never have paid to take a look inside probably because I would have been unsure of what it contained. This is a place where new guys like myself can learn and stay motivated when our time to spend with other roller fanciers is limited. I personally have found the best way to show my appreciation for the forum is to place orders with you and I certainly hope the other new enthusiasts do the same. I have spoken with you on the phone on several occasions and you have freely given direction and knowledge which I appreciate.
If you feel some are promoting others to behave less than whats expected then I would certainly boot them off in order to keep this forum open, inviting and friendly. Keep the new folks coming and we'll encourage them to order their supplies from you. Paul Collins , Spfd. Mo.
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
990 posts
Feb 05, 2007
2:34 AM
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Tony.I was here when you shut down the last time.If you will remember there were only a few of us that stayed.It was a long time getting those that left to come back.If I was you I wouldn't chance it. Neither would I pay to get back on.It is your site so do what you have to do.Things were going good untill you started opening up the discussions on Color's and other things to create more traffic.Most know I work with Color's but I have been trying to let those topics go over my head and not respond as all we do is just go round and round on the thing.Nothing to be said on here about it that hasn't been said before and are still in your archives unless you deleted them.I thought this was the reason you appointed Moderators for?
I questioned you on this when this Color thing started back up again and you said it was an open forum and you welcomed it.As I said before it's your forum so whatever you decide is fine by me. David
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Shaun
443 posts
Feb 05, 2007
4:23 AM
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Tony, the main problem I see with charging is that you could lose the people upon whom you most depend. The experienced guys are, in effect, unpaid consultants who generously spare their time to keep the sport alive. It would seem unfair to charge them for their efforts. But, where do you draw the line? Some of the less experienced guys also have something to offer by way of advice to newcomers. To charge people to helpfully give advice doesn't seem right, either. At some point most students on this site themselves become tutors and even mentors to the next batch of roller newbies.
The chatroom - well, that's a useful facility giving anyone the chance to have a natter; I can see some mileage in charging for that - but, whether the cost becomes a disincentive, who knows.
More globally, have you ever reached a point with the search for information on the internet, that the next stage must be paid for? At that point, many back out. But, if you're really keen and must have that report on 'best camcorder', or whatever, you'll have to subscribe. Tony, your site is already a vast library of specialist information, which anyone can view, simply by registering. It seems that those who can view whatever they like from your archives, but themselves choose not to contribute, have the most to gain.
Just some thoughts.
Shaun
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OZZIE
2 posts
Feb 05, 2007
5:08 AM
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Tony it is your forum and your business. By all means do what you think is right. If we wouldn't respond to those posts then they may go away.
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J_Star
791 posts
Feb 05, 2007
5:35 AM
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The majority of us that have been here for a long time pay for this service by means of donating money to keep this site running. Tony, check your records and determine who is serious and who is not.
I wouldn’t charge to post but it is time for house cleaning. Start with the usual warning email and if the situation doesn’t improve just simply boot them out without a second warning. It is that simple.
Tony if you notice it is for the most part only the new comers who are stirring the crap. They act like if they own this site and everybody owe them something. Like teenagers at age 15 they think they know everything and no one can know as much as they know.
Tony, my advice to you is to band them. People need to realize that we are guest at Tony’s and we should keep our respect at all times...period. No ifs or buts about it. Thanks.
Jay
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
992 posts
Feb 05, 2007
5:47 AM
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Jay.I don't agree with all of your post.Donating money is not the only way to support a site.If you start booting people off for not donating money you wouldn't have a site long.Myself I would give anyone the shirt off my back if they needed it but if someone tells me I have to donate money to belong to an open forum you can bet I will be gone.
Maybe it is time to clean house.David
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J_Star
792 posts
Feb 05, 2007
5:54 AM
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Dave, you misread my post.
Jay
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
993 posts
Feb 05, 2007
6:15 AM
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jay.Wouldn't be the First time.LOL. David
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belle
148 posts
Feb 05, 2007
6:16 AM
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Jay, If you go around and band all the teens that could hurt the sport, teens today have enough problems staying out of trouble. The teens that you don't like is the future of rollers and pigeons old guys won't be here for ever you know. I'm almost 18 who am I going to fly against when I get old?
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J_Star
794 posts
Feb 05, 2007
6:57 AM
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I am glad you are in this hobby at 18. You also misread my post in that context. I was referring to any teenage. I have two of them myself. At that age they demonstrate that they know everything in the world. Their mom and dad don't know that much. Get it.
Jay
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belle
151 posts
Feb 05, 2007
7:08 AM
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You are right at 15 I did know EVERYTHING I think I have grown out of that now.
When I was 16 my mom got two hamsters for my bother and sister she kept them in the same cage because they where both males or the pet store said that any way. I said no there is one of each she said you are only 16 you don't know everything I said they will have babys, she said no. Well a few weeks later there where 6 little hamsters.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1076 posts
Feb 05, 2007
7:15 AM
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Hey All, I really appreciate the feedback. I too think it best not to charge a fee at all. So don’t give it anymore thought unless you want.
This most recent episode has got me rethinking a few things that might help clarify this sites position and yours on issues such as “performance only breeding”, the “Birmingham Roller as breed”, “breeding rollers for the beauty of the colors”.
I think it IS important and useful to discuss all of these issues/topics in a fair way as it creates a database of knowledge made up of facts and opinions that will help the new guy/gal to learn about the roller in a much faster way than in the past.
However, perhaps now the “debate” has evolved to the point where “opinion” all by itself no longer cuts the mustard in this “in your face” society we all live in.
So, I propose that from now on, only well thought out “Position Papers” falling on either side of the issues will be allowed. Anyone can submit one provided they meet certain minimal criteria (which I will provide). I will post them in the All Roller Matrix and when newbies or “trolls” attempt to stir it up, myself, the site Moderators or you the membership can refer these people to the correct Position Paper links on the matter.
I will begin pulling all the threads on these issues and archive them and only make them available for research purposes for those wanting to write a Position Paper.
I have a template that I got from the Internet that I will provide to anyone that wants to put together their thoughts on these matters and have them published. I will work on mine and if anyone else really cares about any of these topics they can contact me for the template I have.
I hope this attempt at a solution will be sufficient to move the “debates” to a higher level and create a better atmosphere for ALL roller pigeon hobbyists, not just breeders of Birmingham Rollers.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
994 posts
Feb 05, 2007
7:46 AM
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Tony.You got to remember I never finished 9th grade.Position Paper? Never heard of such a thing.Pull and Archive all threads pretaining to these Topics and only open to who qualifys to be able to write their thoughts?I may as well write a book and get paid for it.
Is it an open forum to discuss these things or is the forum closed to these discussions? David
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rosebudrollers
47 posts
Feb 05, 2007
7:47 AM
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Tony,This site and you have been good to me and I will hang around whatever.I have been reading about 3 years now.My opinon about the problem is that the old established posters simply do not reply to these new hotheads.If you ignore them they have no voice.Answer and debate only subjects of substance.Dont fan their flame.I have never seen as much name calling as lately.Men can debate without personal insults.You established performance breeders are correct on this matter but it only belittles you to engage in the kind of exchanges as have been going on.Color debates are ok but the ones you are debating with really are not on your level so if you dont engage them the site will be the better off. Just my thoughts as you asked.I will not debate this post,not my thing. Curtis
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1079 posts
Feb 05, 2007
8:52 AM
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Hey David, I understand you may not feel qualified for whatever reasons you think, but I would buy your book, heck, we could promote it here! Lol
I will say this, I am in the process of changing the policy regarding “controversial” topics, I am not saying color and color breeding cannot be discussed, or that discussion of the Birmingham Roller as a breed unto itself is off-limits, only that arguing over it will not be allowed.
For example, if certain colors are traits you are trying to breed for and ask a question as to how you go from here to there to do it then that would be okay.
For someone to come to the thread and start criticizing you for your desire to do it will not be allowed. At this point, they will only be allowed to refer to someone’s “Position Paper” on the side they favor. That’s it.
Another example, if someone, in an appropriate way brings up that crossing breeds for whatever reason is “mongrelizing”, and someone posts a disagreement with what is a well known fact, then they will be referred to a Position Paper/s on the issue.
No senseless arguing or hurt feelings.
As far as who is “qualified” to speak on a controversial topic it is ANYONE regardless of grade that they started or left school who can follow the guidelines of the Position Paper template.
Archived threads would be made available to anyone for free with the expectations that they are doing research to write a paper for the site.
While this may seem a huge task to some, anyone undertaking and finishing it becomes somewhat of an instant expert and whose opinion carries a lot more weight. These people will be given a lot of respect by me personally (perhaps certain site benefits?) for the effort and the thinking that has to go into it.
Anything else is just an opinion!
PS Can’t wait to read your book!
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
996 posts
Feb 05, 2007
9:49 AM
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Well I will never be able to write a book.LOL.Heck I have trouble conveying my thoughts in a simple post.Thanks for explaining. David
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Shaun
444 posts
Feb 05, 2007
9:57 AM
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Tony, a little while ago, I answered a question on a guitar forum. Unfortunately, the guy concerned had not posted his question within the exact category of this big music site, ie, beginner, intermediate or experienced. There was also the likes of wind instrument or stringed instrument to comply with. The poster was foolish enough to be in one little department whilst asking a question which clearly belonged to another. What astounded me was that after I answered the question, I received an email within the hour (I'd only just registered) telling me off for responding to a question which clearly didn't belong to the category from which it emanated. Now, if that's not 'Big Brother' forum moderating, then I don't know what is. Suffice to say, I haven't been back.
You, on the other hand, have been at pains to be as hands off as possible, for which you've regularly been commended. But, this lack of censorship has led to the same hard core of debates going round and round in circles, over and over again.
Some of these topics start off innocently enough, perhaps with a newbie asking a question, but with no idea of the history and bad-feeling attached to it. But, other times it might be someone more experienced - even yourself - wishing to stimulate further debate on those same hot topics. But, despite the regular numbers each time around, who are holding their heads in their hands, almost begging to lay these topics to rest, still they persist. Yet, nothing really new is said; it's just a reinforcement each time of someone's stance on the same subject. However, it can be noticed that each time it happens, other roller matters sink into the background, as too much energy is being devoted, once again, to the same old topics of disagreement.
There must now be literally hundreds of posts about the handful of subjects which cause the most grief. Any newbie wishing to know about them, simply needs to be pointed in the direction of the archives. Anyone else, who knows full well the strength of feeling, behind these debates, and who starts a new thread, thinly-disguised as looking at things from a different angle, surely by now has to know that the regular energy behind this site, will be sapped for a time, until the thread pursues along its ugly path, with the same uneasy standoff at the end.
Would it be such a hardship to stop, at least for a time, any new thread from the purists among us, as to the history of the Birmingham Roller or the naughty crossing thereof? If so, surely it would only be fair for others to acknowledge by their posts that this site does lean towards the performance side of the breed, and therefore also resist starting threads along the lines of: "If I cross this colour/pattern with that, which will be the prettiest?"
From what I'm sure we've all observed, most of the ill-feeling from people who might otherwise get along quite nicely, stems from those particular topics.
Shaun
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dave
294 posts
Feb 05, 2007
12:30 PM
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Tony, you should get the isp of these trouble makers and ban that isp and just not the name. Bet that would help solve some of these problems.
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C.J.
919 posts
Feb 05, 2007
1:01 PM
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Dave there are ways of getting around that. I won't get into it now.
Site Moderator
C.j.
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rollerpigeon1963
139 posts
Feb 05, 2007
2:16 PM
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"Dave there are ways of getting around that. I won't get into it now.
Site Moderator
C.j."
C.J
There is ways around everythingno matter what happens. But if you start somewhere it will slow down or even quit. Sitting back and changing thing for everyone else just don't seem right. But I'm not a sute moderator or the site owner.
But I believe if you expose a few of them to the public things will slow down. If you make everyone register there name with a provider email address. Not a yahoo or Hotmail email but a provider email will settle a lot of the dust. I had a problem about 3 to 4 years ago on a certain site. I had searched the trouble makers ISP number and then looked in my folder of every email I ever received and found out who the troublemaker was. So I sent that person a nice eamil stating what I was planning to do if the problem persist. Low and behold we never had another problem again.
I would like to ask you a question since we are kicking the dust around. Due you believe a site that has Moderators should be held responsible for the moderators for their actions that relates to the particular site. In a manner that they are using there position to sell birds that might not be up to par. Maybe sick or carry something to someone elses loft? because if they wasn't a moderator on a particular site they probably wouldn't be able to sell the birds to begin with? Just a question I wanted to ask. Nothing that has happen to me just want a opinion. Because some people thing what ever I say is what the sites I belong to, agrees to. Which is the furthest from the truth because I don't post my opinions there just for that reason. But what do you think?
I think taking steps towards cleaning the site is the best way to go because if you don't then the site will pay. Either charging people to become a member. Or driving people away because of all of the fighting and foolishness.
I figure I would put this out there for some feedback.
Thanks for your time and best of luck
Brian Middaugh
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Frankie
92 posts
Feb 05, 2007
4:58 PM
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well I agree with most of you on this thread the only way to solve the problem is not to tolerate it as soon as it starts ban the person starting it up and yes i have been guilty of it and i will be the first to stand in line and say it but i show respect to everybody that i get respect from i did not start the mudslinging if you do not have anything positive to say about the question it is easier for them not to answer it then it is for someone to read the comments and not to answer back and tell me how post like this is beneficial and helpful and respectful to you or anyone on your site
Slobbernazi and I beleive that it was Rocky that denied it.
But there has just been a couple of tibits, and down right make no sence things written that have those dummies from Slobbernazi written all over it.
do you really think stuff like this should be going on on your site or do you call this name calling how many people on this site do you think find these kind of comments appropriate and respectful just my thoughts Frankie
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classicpony
94 posts
Feb 05, 2007
5:07 PM
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Tony,
Think about putting a limit on a thread, so even if bated, it will only last for so long before it expires.
Jim
@birdhouse
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motherlodelofts
1394 posts
Feb 05, 2007
5:30 PM
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"Slobbernazi and I beleive that it was Rocky that denied it.
But there has just been a couple of tibits, and down right make no sence things written that have those dummies from Slobbernazi written all over it.
do you really think stuff like this should be going on on your site or do you call this name calling how many people on this site do you think find these kind of comments appropriate and respectful just my thoughts Frankie "
Not name calling Frankie , we "officialy" named it such , therefore it is a legitamite name and not name calling.
We are still working on one for you ,I hope that you can appreciate the effort.
Scott Campbell
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Velo99
905 posts
Feb 05, 2007
5:32 PM
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Two points,
One.
My suggestion is for the moderators to step in a little sooner loch the thread before it reaches the boiling point. I know warnings have been issued it still doesn`t seem top slow it much.Then refer all concerned to the appropriate pages in the archives. A dead thread is dead no matter how many times it is resurrected.
Two.
As for the new guys who are thinking that Scott and company don`t know what they are talking about. Lemme tell you a little story.
September of 94 I acquired 6 squeaks, a kitbox and a half a sack of feed.I played with them homed them in and started flying them. There was no one around I could ask questions of. My brother got the birds for me but didn`t know too much about roller being he is a show guy. I finally met the guy He got the from and I got a few questions answered.
I logged on one afternoon,punched roller pigeon in the search window and VOILA`. I landed here.I started asking questions about everything,reading everything I could find. I flew my birds with a bit more critical eye because of the things I was learning for this site. I got into debates, arguments,and discussions.
My birds were rolling some and I was building a breeder loft. I built my loft by their directions and dimensions I was given. I got some breeders from the same man as before. I started breeding. Had 5 pairs of breeders and was in for the long haul.
I did pretty decent the first season. Bred 17 or so. I flew them out and was finally having fun with a full kit in the air. All the things I was learning were coming to fruition by the helping hands of the great group of guys on this site.
In April of 2006 I flew in the World Cup qualifier. My very first fly. Ron Duncan was the judge. I was prepared to drive a considerable distance to get him. This came from Kevin Naylor. He is a RD and knows these things. I drove 250 miles round trip and took a day off of work.
Everything worked out and Bruce and I flew the same afternoon. It was a first for both of us. With the coaching from this site I scored 507,came in second in my region, qualifying for the finals.Bruce with no coaching scored 56. I will be the first to admit I got lucky cuz I bombed in the finals. For me with as little experience as I had to score at all with my first kit was pretty amazing.
After I flew in competetion I was accepted as a member of a community which looks after its own. I wasn`t a newbie anymore. I vowed to myself to give back what was given to me at any opportunity I had. The men who helped me along the way now looked at me as an equal, well kinda.
In closing I would like to say things run their course the thing that will remain constant is the willingness to help anyone who is PREPARED TO LISTEN. There is enough information on this site that WE have contributed to to write the mother of all roller books. Enough egos and opinions to make an episode of Jerry Springer. I love every minute of it! Just like the TV, if you don`t like it change the channel. JMHO
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V99
Good spinners don`t always
make good breeders.
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
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J_Star
795 posts
Feb 05, 2007
6:44 PM
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Well, as moderator need to step sooner before the thread becomes confrontational is true. I as a moderator alerted Tony through email as it was brewing.
I, in my opinion, see that some the newbies on this site as confrontational and are looking for the opportunity to pick a fight. I think all the input was great from tracking the ISP to ban the trouble makers are valid. But what if we make the new comers to this site be sponsored by an established member. The established member has to support the new comer just like in Earl’s list. This way we can eliminate allot of the trollers.
I also agree to the comment that was made where the established members just ignore the posts that are made by the confrontational members. Soon enough the subject will be dropped. My question is where is Mr. Kenny (KGB) this time? He missed a big show (lol).
Jay
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Heyyou
95 posts
Feb 05, 2007
9:59 PM
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As a moderator, you need to delete the posts that do not conform to the posting rules which should be available to all. If someone gets nasty, zap um. They don't deserve to use your site to promote their narrow, nasty point of view and offend anyone. All the posts should be informational, questions, or exchange of information and the opinions of long time breeders or enthusiasts should be sought by all. It's a great source of information and help, so Tony, don't charge, be In Charge and regulate what goes in the posts, it's a private site. If someone is offended by it, you can't win them all and those small minds will go elsewhere. Bill White
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1095 posts
Feb 05, 2007
10:04 PM
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Hey Bill, good input and just did it on another thread, locked it after deleting 3 posts, included one of mine which was a little off color. Sooorrrrry.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Frankie
97 posts
Feb 05, 2007
10:18 PM
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I've read all these post on this thread and I see a lot of people blaming the problems on the newbies and what to do to them. But, I haven't heard much talk on what to do with the old members stirring up trouble. It takes two to have an argument or to get into name calling, etc. I think whatever action is took against newbies should be took against the old members to. Maybe the real question should be why do some of the older members feel the need to jump on the new people? I've said it several times and I'll say it again, " I didn't join this site to argue and fight; I came here to meet other roller people and learn more about rollers from people more experienced." But if members new or old are allowed to disrespect me, call me names, and try to belittle me I will respond the same if nothing is done to them. being asked to over look something like that just doesn't make since. it makes more since for that person or people not to do that in the first place. After all it's not asking much... just a little common sense and decency. Frankie
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1098 posts
Feb 05, 2007
10:21 PM
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Hello Frankie, watcha doin?
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Frankie
98 posts
Feb 05, 2007
10:28 PM
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reading a few post before I go to bed. whatcha doin? ~lol~ I suspect reading post to. You getting about ready to fly some of them rollers? I can't wait to come see them. Frankie
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Missouri-Flyer
202 posts
Feb 06, 2007
6:43 AM
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Tony,
Short and to the point! Paying to watch/learn wouldn't work. Instead,use your ability to delete post and things will change..Jerry
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Eat, sleep, Cowboys, Pigeons... The facts of life
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1101 posts
Feb 06, 2007
11:27 AM
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Hey Jerry, its about to happen. I'll appreciate and expect your support when guys are pissed that their post was the one that gets deleted! Are you with me?
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Missouri-Flyer
205 posts
Feb 06, 2007
11:36 AM
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with ya 100%...hell, it might even be some of mine that get deleted..hehe..Jerry
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Keep it simple and to the point. If it doesnt involve you, keep quiet.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1102 posts
Feb 06, 2007
11:54 AM
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Starting with you! hehehehe!
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Missouri-Flyer
207 posts
Feb 06, 2007
12:14 PM
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it wouldn't be me that got pissed over a deleted post, mine or someone elses. If I have stepped out of line, then I need someone to correct me.. Here at the house, it is my wife and kids, but I dont have that "luxury" on this site, so if need be, delete me as needed....Jerry
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Keep it simple and to the point. If it doesnt involve you, keep quiet.
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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