Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1103 posts
Feb 06, 2007
3:25 PM
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Hey All, now that I think everyone has vented, including me, I am adding to the posting policy that posts or threads that are critical of, or put downs or jabs at the way someone wants to raise rollers, that is: Birmingham Rollers as a breed, Mongrelizing the Birmingham Roller, Color Breeding, Performance Breeding will be deleted.
I will be placing a special contact button to report any of these infractions. After reviewing them and find that the accusation is true, I will delete the post or thread in question regardless if the post is his first or 10,000th one.
Any further posting related to this matter will be deleted; all threads that preceded this new policy will be deleted; if I miss something let me know.
I now want to personally apologize to anyone especially to Bob McGuan for the way you have felt treated on this site. If you personally felt slighted, outright insulted, offended or chased off, I am sorry that I let this situation build to that point. I take full responsibility for the actions of anyone posting on this site that was allowed to get away with anything that caused you and others pain.
I honestly thought an “editorially open site” had more to offer. I was wrong and I apologize.
Sincerely,
Tony Chavarria
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1003 posts
Feb 06, 2007
3:38 PM
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Tony.I won't be offended when you delete any of my post.David
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motherlodelofts
1402 posts
Feb 06, 2007
3:51 PM
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You know it's odd , these guys from Slobbers have their own forum, cencered heavily to keep anyone that doesn't agree with them or exposes there for what they do.
And yet they all still filter over here ? why is that ?
Why does Slobber monitor this site ?
in past years why did he contact the officers of the national club trying to silence the truth about the color mongrels that they were selling was exposed for what they were?
Now they have their own little place to frolic and learn about genetics and "what color do I get when I cross a Homer or a show breed onto a roller" ect.
So why can't we be left alone here to discuss breeding and flying "Birmingham Rollers" without these clowns popping in and disrupting the forum with stupidity on things that have nothing to do with the breed and performance ?
We don't see them for months and then all of the sudden they pop out of the woodwork here , why is that ?
Scott Campbell
Last Edited by on Feb 06, 2007 3:56 PM
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Oldfart
32 posts
Feb 06, 2007
3:55 PM
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Tony, you and the site have my support. My only wish would be to keep the site as open as possible. I also understand the need you feel, family must always be first!
In Your Words, FLY ON!
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1104 posts
Feb 06, 2007
4:04 PM
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Hey Scott, I appreciate the sentiment. I will be starting another website devoted exclusively to the Birmingham Roller as a Breed. It will probably be called BirminghamRollers.Com.
It will be by invite or personal sponsorship only. It will be password protected so it can only be viewed by it's members.
I will need a few hours to get it going, maybe tonight or tomorrow at the latest. At least this way, our little friend from Birmingham will have a space on the net devoted just to him.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Velo99
906 posts
Feb 06, 2007
4:09 PM
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Tony,
I can`t believe this came from your keyboard. Did Slobber hijack your puter?
The BR as breed and Breeding for performance are two legitimate subjects that need to be discussed.
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V99
Good spinners don`t always
make good breeders.
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
Last Edited by on Feb 06, 2007 4:12 PM
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1004 posts
Feb 06, 2007
4:13 PM
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Tony.What a Brilliant idea.
Also while I am thinking about it I never have got to call you.This cold spell hit and I keep forgetting to call.Try to call you sometime later in the week.David
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bob
31 posts
Feb 06, 2007
4:29 PM
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Hi Tony i am fine with what ever you decide to keep this site as professional as it is. GOOD LUCK Bob in Ont.
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belle
156 posts
Feb 06, 2007
4:57 PM
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Sounds good Tony, and apologizing that take a man and I feel you haven't done anything wrong, you have a great site here I love the new search, I like going on the fireball roller form too don't have any fireball rollers but maybe one day keep up the good work. Now can we talk about rollers again this is turning in to a soap opera.LOL
Justin
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motherlodelofts
1403 posts
Feb 06, 2007
4:59 PM
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Good idea Tony , the same things happened on Earls list so all the flyers went to velorol , man there is a ton of good stuff that flows through there on the breed and performance when the clutter is eliminated.
The fact is these are two seperate hobbies completly so yes they will clash.
Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 06, 2007 5:04 PM
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nicksiders
1358 posts
Feb 06, 2007
5:28 PM
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Tony,
I have emails from Bob McGuan he recently sent to me and ones that he sent awhile back to me. After reading this thread and your post in it and then reading those four or five emails he sent to me, you owe him nothing. You especially don't owe him an apology.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
Last Edited by on Feb 07, 2007 6:30 AM
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Phantom1
150 posts
Feb 06, 2007
5:49 PM
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Scott, Nick and anyone else:
I personally invite you to contact me direclty to discuss any feelings or grievances you may have against Bob. When I offer this, you must understand that you're not referring to Bob as a person. You're referring to Bob, Slobberknockerlofts, your mis-association with his personal site, and that of the National Performing Roller Association, as ONE thing. So, if you would like to explore why things are the way they are over "there" and why your perceptions of why things are the way they are over "here", I would be more than willing to discuss these with you. But will not do so here per Tony's request.
I choose to show respect for him and his site...while others would prefer to drag it all out...on and on and on...in public, on his forum, and against the posting policy. I trust that Tony will enforce the policy and suggest the same resolution to your complaints.
Eric
eric_stephens@tx.rr.net
eric.stephens@xerox.com
Last Edited by on Feb 06, 2007 5:56 PM
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motherlodelofts
1404 posts
Feb 06, 2007
6:16 PM
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Thanks for the offer Eric, but the fact is when it come's to these birds we are not even close to being on the same page nor do we share anything in common.
like I said in another post , two completly different hobbys and I'll also add completly different pigeon.
As for Bob , when it comes to the birds I have no respect for him and I think he's a nimrod.
As for you, I have respect for you.
Scott Campbell
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Hector Coya
116 posts
Feb 06, 2007
6:45 PM
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I visited Slobberknockerlofts, website,
funny i cant find any threads talking bad about this site,but i find many threads here talking about them i guess they get free publicity.
Hector Coya
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luis
162 posts
Feb 06, 2007
6:49 PM
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Good idea Tony and i commend you for it.When we have to resort to vulgarities,offensive name calling and so forth to get our point across or simply because we feel we can there's obviously something wrong there!I personally don't think we(you) should take it.Some of us newer guys might grow in this hobby and change perspectives but that is entirely up to the person.Once again i commend you for taking action on your site and not allowing this to go on any more!
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nicksiders
1359 posts
Feb 06, 2007
7:08 PM
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Eric,
All of the negetive contacts has came from Bob McGuan directly. It has nothing to do with his forum nor his personal website. In fact I was on his personal website either late last night or early this morning and even printed a matrix from it.
I find it a different roller world over there and have adjusted from being removed or banned from it. I nolonger find any redeeming value in belonging to it.....sounds kinda of like the fox calling sour grapes, huh?(LOL).
I respected him; but, he has not given me respect in return and I am OKAY with it. I have nothing different I could offer you in private. I enjoyed your input into this forum and have always respected your opinions on any subject and I sincerely hope you keep coming back.
I have shakened the dust from my feet at last in my relationship with Bob McGuan. I find him mean spirited. What he is like in the person(email) is different from what he is like in the forum.......he is mean spirited.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
Last Edited by on Feb 06, 2007 7:10 PM
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nicksiders
1360 posts
Feb 06, 2007
7:11 PM
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Hector,
Did you view Bob's personal site or his forum that he owns? Two different places.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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Phantom1
151 posts
Feb 06, 2007
7:18 PM
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Thank you gentlemen. Sincerely. The offer still stands to discuss anything you would like to in private. Nick, I would especially like the opportunity to speak with you. But again, I respectfully refuse to go into detail here, as well as I respect anyone not wanting to discuss it any further. My only request would be, if you do not wish to explore how far the rabbit hole goes, that it be dropped once and for all.
Thank you for your understanding,
Eric
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Ballrollers
649 posts
Feb 06, 2007
7:37 PM
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Good move, Tony, accross the board. I have withheld myself from posting as of late as I saw things going down hill fast.My singular effort to respond unemotionally and logically in the crested roller thread was inappropriate and mishandled, so I just decided to stay out of the fray. I know that you want a forum with some degree of integrity, Tony, as an educational site; and not one whose sole purpose is to bash another site, another family of birds, or particular individuals. There are some who post here who have not gotten the idea. This thing gets out of hand, sometimes, worse now than ever....not in the subject matter being discussed, but with the tone and demeanor of some of the individuals doing the posting. And I know that, at times, I have been guilty, too. Thank you for the leadership you have shown in this difficult, but timely decision, and for raising the bar. Discussions of the breed and performance are a good thing, but some folks lost their way, unfortunately, and people have been hurt...as has this site, and the hobby as a whole,to some extent, for those individuals. We can do better than this, guys.....
YITS,
Cliff
Last Edited by on Feb 06, 2007 8:57 PM
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George Ruiz
182 posts
Feb 06, 2007
8:31 PM
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I agree with the rules ,it's only when a guy trys to mislead someone by saying some mixed breed pigeon is a Birmingham Roller that bothers a lot of people.
The rules should also state that thier will be no misrepresentation of any breed allowed .If your not 100% sure then just say your not sure if the bird is mixed breed or not.It's a insult to some fanciers when you post a picture of a toy stencil and say it's a Birmingham roller.
Thats how things get started and out of control.
Thier is no harm in saying your birds are not pure Rollers
if it's the truth.It dont mean they dont Tumble or Flip.
I have a mixed breed dog and I dont try to mislead anyone I tell them the truth.
I am proud and happy with my mutt.
george
Last Edited by on Feb 06, 2007 8:49 PM
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motherlodelofts
1406 posts
Feb 06, 2007
9:18 PM
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No , this site nor the hobby have been hurt Cliff,not sure how you came up with that.
And who has been hurt Cliff ? , quit over blowing things. it serves no purpose to state such things, but I am sure that there is a purpose .
Scott Campbell
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Santandercol
734 posts
Feb 06, 2007
9:43 PM
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Geez guys!!What's goin' on???I thought only Canadians whined this much.LOL----------
Kelly
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rollerman132
62 posts
Feb 06, 2007
9:52 PM
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Tony,
I’m also sorry for what I posted last night; you can delete any of my post or threads that you view as unsuitable for your web site.
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rollerhead
4 posts
Feb 06, 2007
11:38 PM
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i read these posts everyday here over there and anywhere else i can read about rollers we better start fighting city ordanices that keep people from keeping pigeons instead of each other
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highroller
16 posts
Feb 07, 2007
1:37 AM
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Hey Tony,
Maybe I'm a "nimrod" too but I can't seem to find your posting policy.
But I think I remember it prohibitting talking about another person unless he/she is deceased, and also prohibits name calling and jabs etc.
What's up with all these posts from Scott and Nick?
Dan
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motherlodelofts
1408 posts
Feb 07, 2007
2:32 AM
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Hmmmm another one out of the woodwork from the darkside.
Scott
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AIREDALE
62 posts
Feb 07, 2007
2:39 AM
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Tony, Your new website sounds good.Hopefully, I'll get an invite or sponsorship.Please keep me posted. John
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nicksiders
1363 posts
Feb 07, 2007
3:35 AM
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Dan,
Don't bring more dust in here. Of all people who would throw dust in here I would have thought you would be the last.
I may be a poophead; you are not.....what's going on with this?
Speeking of poop, have you overcame that reaction you are suffering from from pigeon droppings? Or is it something that will never go away?
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
Last Edited by on Feb 07, 2007 3:41 AM
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J_Star
799 posts
Feb 07, 2007
5:05 AM
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Tony, with all due respect, as a moderator on this site I am very disappointed with your initial post. No apology is required from your behalf. I try to stay out of this crap and monitor the conversations back and forth so that it stays professional for the most part, but apologizing for them coming on here and try to ruffle some of the long standing members’ feathers is beyond me.
Jay
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Missouri-Flyer
209 posts
Feb 07, 2007
6:26 AM
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My though exactly,Jay.
Tony should be the one accepting the appoligies, not giving them...Jerry
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Keep it simple and to the point. If it doesnt involve you, keep quiet.
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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highroller
17 posts
Feb 07, 2007
6:41 AM
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Hi guys,
not trying stir up dust here. it just seemed that Tony was making a real effort to clean things up and the posts keep coming. by the way, where can I find the posting policy, maybe that stuff is OK.
Nick,
thanks for asking...my health has greatly improved since letting the birds go but it's a permanant sensitivity to them and I can't ever get them back. Bummer!
Dan
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Ballrollers
658 posts
Feb 07, 2007
3:11 PM
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Scott,
When people post on this site, or any site, and get disrespected and blown away for expressing their opinon or showing pictures of their birds, they get their feelings hurt.
When they get hurt and tell ten newbies not to bother with this site, because of the "nitwits" that post here, that hurts this site, Tony, and his livelihood. When potential new flyers leave this site with the impression that competition flyers are arrogant, aggressive, intolerant, and opinionated, that hurts the hobby. I can assure you, based on personal e-mail and observation, that all of the above have occurred. Open your eyes. Maybe you count it as an expendable loss, but I think that is what Tony is trying to address, here, and I can certainly understand his interest in doing so.
YITS,
Cliff
Last Edited by on Feb 07, 2007 3:17 PM
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motherlodelofts
1419 posts
Feb 07, 2007
4:34 PM
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Yea Cliff much better for them to waste years because they got their feelings hurt because they post a picture of something that is no resemblance of any breed let alone a Birmingham Roller , and someone says something about it. And the sad truth is they were deceived , Frankie is a good example of that.
If you post a picture, I will most certainly give my honest opinion of it unless I'm asked not to, I have seen some nice birds posted here and some where I have had to bang my head on the desk to get the picture out of my head.
Cliff, that is how I learned and most I know, there were no hurt feelings, there was only learning from it.
Maybe you should be pointing your finger at the clowns selling these new guys garbage instead of towards me.
Scott Campbell
PS man you sure get a shit load of emails regarding this stuff as you sure like to throw that one out.
Last Edited by on Feb 07, 2007 4:36 PM
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luis
164 posts
Feb 07, 2007
8:14 PM
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Nothing wrong with stating your opinion on a subject to educate but when the post deviates to a personal level such as name calling, than that does a little more than steer folks in the right direction!
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longarm
85 posts
Mar 01, 2007
7:32 AM
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HMMM In one ear out the other
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MILO
218 posts
Mar 01, 2007
7:54 AM
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This is a dead post. Why bring it back?
c
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classicpony
120 posts
Mar 01, 2007
5:54 PM
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Can't we all just get along? :) Are we over reacting? I like the idea, invite only too. Thanks Tony for the great idea of a invite only board. But now who do you invite? Poster, few posters, no posters? That is a can of worms just waiting for you to ponder.
Jim
@thebirdhouse
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Hector Coya
138 posts
Mar 01, 2007
7:37 PM
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Cliff and Luis ,your right.
Hector C
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1203 posts
Mar 01, 2007
9:00 PM
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Here is the posting policy, the link is at the bottom of the main forum page: Posting Policy
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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