flyspin
1 post
Feb 06, 2007
9:57 PM
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This little hen has good speed, style, depth and frequency but just doesnt kit well. Is this a trait that will be passed on to the offspring?
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Frank H.
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Jimbo113
65 posts
Feb 06, 2007
10:06 PM
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I have to vote Nay on this one. Unless your options are so few that you just must, I would not.
Jimbo
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"We Don't Rent Pigs"
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W@yne
247 posts
Feb 06, 2007
10:22 PM
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I am afraid to tell you Frank but thats a cull friend. Breeding from that will be a mistake and you will not want to pass this error down to your next generation of birds. You will end up culling far more birds in the long run.
regards
W@yne uk
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nicksiders
1364 posts
Feb 07, 2007
4:02 AM
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I would not breed anything that has a major defect. Not kitting is major on my side of the isle. I would not breed from her......and I would not fly her, either.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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Velo99
908 posts
Feb 07, 2007
4:50 AM
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Outbirding is a mental weakness. Garbage in garbage out.
BEST to best.Is this bird the best you have to breed from?
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V99
Good spinners don`t always
make good breeders.
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
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nicksiders
1367 posts
Feb 07, 2007
6:37 AM
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flyspin,
I noted this is your first post. Welcome to the site. It is worthwhile and very fun here.
Welcome aboard.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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rosebudrollers
48 posts
Feb 07, 2007
8:17 AM
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flyspin,I have a young hen doing just as yours. Her dad did it but I tried a few pair out of him thinking they might inherit his good side.I will not make this mistake again.Hope this helps and welcome. Curtis
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motherlodelofts
1414 posts
Feb 07, 2007
11:51 AM
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How old is the bird and how long has it been doing it ?
Scott
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1005 posts
Feb 07, 2007
12:27 PM
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If you have a choice don't breed from it.I would continue flying it if it is a young bird as long as it don't interfere with your other birds.Non kitters will haunt you if you breed from them.My opinion.David
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flyspin
2 posts
Feb 07, 2007
12:32 PM
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Scott this bird is 14 months, she started this bad habbit 1 month ago. Caught her with a cock so I moved her to a all hen kit to see what happends. Thanks for everyones advice.
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Frank H.
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motherlodelofts
1415 posts
Feb 07, 2007
12:41 PM
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Frank , at that age I won't tolorate it , the ones that I have seen do it don't seem to head back the other way.
But I have had birds in thier second season hit like another gear and get a little goofy for a week or so, and I havehad what you are talking about here.
It is important to remember that what we do in the stock loft is going to dictate the direction our birds go.
Some make excuses for such birds and then set faults such as this into their birds , she is doing it to avoid the kit because the kit stimulates her to roll , in other words the roll controls her , same as it does for chronic bumpers,early landers, rolldowns ect..
Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 07, 2007 12:43 PM
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Steve_uk
76 posts
Feb 07, 2007
12:47 PM
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Out bird is worse than a non roller for me.
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fhtfire
800 posts
Feb 07, 2007
8:14 PM
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YOUR OUT!!!! if it is an out bird at 14 months...it is out of the program...open up the perch for some new potential.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Velo99
913 posts
Feb 08, 2007
4:29 PM
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Guys
I had to cull a bird a few days ago for being a three time early lander. I handled her and she felt fine a few days prior to. She would go up and roll pretty good a few times then land after 7-8 minutes.Just couldn`t/wouldn`t keep up.I fly every other day
No names but the line is tight,pure and deep. I have birds from the same line doing very well. Mental weakness pops up in any line of birds.
At this point in my program I cannot afford any setbacks.I have been pretty critical of what I have put into the stock box. Broke up a pair that produced a few too many rd`s this season. I feel it is a combination of both parents being deeper birds.Just got a little too warm.
kh
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V99
Good spinners don`t always
make good breeders.
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
Last Edited by on Feb 08, 2007 4:34 PM
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Pali View Lofts
26 posts
Feb 09, 2007
1:11 PM
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I vote for the nay side!
Pali View Lofts
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Shaun
449 posts
Feb 09, 2007
2:07 PM
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Frank, if a bird has been fine for a year, then suddenly behaves differently, surely there's some mileage in establishing if something is wrong with it. Most birds have bitten the dust within a year if they're crap; if your hen has been a good one until recently, there might be a problem worth investigating.
In terms of breeding, as ever, it all depends where you are in the scheme of things. So, if you have other birds to work with, which don't display such faults, the question will always be: why bother with this one? However, if your choices are limited, you probably can't afford to be so hasty. There is no guarantee that good or bad traits will be passed on. If that were the case, churning out quality rollers in decent numbers would be a doddle. But, it isn't.
So, if your choices are limited - and you can afford the time and possible frustration if things don't work out - the simple answer would be to breed a few youngsters and see how they turn out.
Shaun
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Ally Mac
154 posts
Feb 09, 2007
2:11 PM
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When I first started out I bred from all the birds I had the first winter. Including a Cock that was possibly my best roller. Problem was he was an out bird, also landed early. As I said though i bred from him. out of the three youngsters two were also out birds. Wouldnt go there again.
Al.
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Shaun
450 posts
Feb 09, 2007
2:34 PM
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Hi, Al. Is it cold enough for you in Scotland at the moment? I paired up on 31st January as it had been so mild. Now that eggs are due, it's freezing with lots of snow. Sod's law.
I do not like outbirds, but I hate early landers more than anything. It's bad enough watching a bird flying away from the kit, merrily rolling, but quite another seeing a bird knackering itself with all the effort, then landing - sometimes after just a few minutes. I quickly eliminate those ones.
But, I also hate those which after months and months, are still flying around in circles, doing bugger-all. At least with an out-bird which does roll decently, there's some entertainment value before it has to go.
Shaun
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Ally Mac
155 posts
Feb 10, 2007
1:25 AM
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Hi Shaun.
I, its cold now. Should have done our breeding December January! Still, I dont suppose its as cold as some of the boys over the pond. Think we were -5 the other night. I have 8 pair down, had a few eggs not filled, but hoping the rest will come through ok.
I know what you mean about the early landers etc, they are possibly worse than out birds. I have learned to be a lot more strict than I have been the last few years.
Still flying my kit of Mosesleys, still coming on a bit at a time. I have to say I did not breed one out bird or early lander from them. Had 2 roll downs and a couple of bumpers but that is all. They have always been great kitters. Though I think I really held them back with iregular flying as youngsters. Another lesson learned.
You still having hawk trouble? How many youngsters you aiming for?
Al.
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scotty
50 posts
Feb 10, 2007
1:55 AM
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Out flyers usualy drag my kit in distraction. BUILT FOR SPEED - Scotty
Last Edited by on Feb 10, 2007 1:55 AM
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Shaun
451 posts
Feb 10, 2007
3:27 AM
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Al, I keep locking my birds up for maybe a couple of weeks at a time, then when I chance letting them out, they will be attacked pretty much immediately and I will lose at least one. I've taken to removing my best birds from the kits as having only ended up with half a dozen decent rollers from 2006, I'm not chancing them any longer. This means the birds I do put up are either Masons which haven't proved their worth or Moseleys which haven't yet come into the roll. It makes for a pretty dull spectacle.
If I can find a way around the hawk problem, I'll be looking to breed at least two decent sized kits. I think much depends on whether or not I decide to also keep a cull kit of 2006 birds to test the air for hawks. I can see the advantage to this, but it's yet more feed and maintenance for birds I have little interest in. As you know, it's often difficult finding the time and good weather to fly numerous kits.
The alternative is to reach a point with the 2006 birds which haven't made the grade and cull them, in readiness for the 2007 youngsters. I can't say that's a task I look forward to.
Shaun
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Ally Mac
156 posts
Feb 10, 2007
5:06 AM
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I am just breeding 1 kit for myself then more for a pal. I might even give him the kit I bred last year, not sure yet. With work and everything else I think it is the best way ahead for me at the moment.
Dont be too quick to get rid of any moseley youngsters too soon. They are definately later developers than most, hopefully worth the wait. I did have some come on early, 3 - 4 months but they killed themselves.
The peregrine was at my birds a few times in the last month but never got anything. Obviously not very good or not very hungry.
Al.
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