Spud
79 posts
Feb 14, 2007
7:30 AM
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So an English Springer Spaniel won the big dog show. Cool, but can he hunt? Probably not. He's a show dog, and yet the breed was developed to be hunters. (look at the ears on that dog, if he did hunt, they would be a mess!). The lesson is when you breed away from performance, you loose it. The question is what are our priorities as breeders of BHR.
Spud
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1170 posts
Feb 14, 2007
10:43 AM
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What if the breeder/exhibitor of that dog doesn't care to hunt with it, or even cares to hunt at all? Performance doesn't matter then does it, regardless of the intent of its past. If the person doesn't like the fact that there is a chance the dog can't hunt well as his great grandfathers might have, then he should probably seek another breeder, one who does breed around field performance.
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Spud
80 posts
Feb 14, 2007
1:56 PM
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Granted, but the point is the dogs originators intended it to first and foremost a hunting dog. Once that hunting instinct is lost, it's hard to get back. Try to find a Cocker Spaniel that you can actually hunt over. Hard to do. That's why Brain, we need to breed not just for what's in it for us, but for what the breed is all about.
My thoughts any who.
Spud
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nicksiders
1401 posts
Feb 14, 2007
2:08 PM
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If one doesn't appreciate the performance of a performance breed One should find a breed other than a performance breed to breed; shouldn't one?
Nick<============a dumb ass
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Snicker Rollers
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1172 posts
Feb 14, 2007
2:11 PM
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Spud, personally I don't care one way or another what someone does with a breed of dog or pigeon. We will just have to disagree with one another because I don't live my life, nor make my decisions or choices based on what originators of anything had in mind. That doesn't mean that your opinion to the contrary is not warranted. I just don't agree that we "should" change our own personal views to align with someone else. I try to live by the creed that my choices should only effect me, not others.
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Steve_uk
85 posts
Feb 14, 2007
2:21 PM
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This is just a repeat of may threads but using a differant subject the old crossig bull come on guys lets move on.
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nicksiders
1403 posts
Feb 14, 2007
3:48 PM
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Steve,
The Birmingham Roller as a Birmingham Roller is important to a lot of people and its preservation is a key point for a lot of people. It is important enough for many to want to keep it in front of us all of the time whenever the Birmingham Roller is discussed. For many it would be hard just to move on.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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Electric-man
133 posts
Feb 14, 2007
4:52 PM
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Top subject on the whippin post!!!
Yawnnnnnnn!
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1152 posts
Feb 14, 2007
6:23 PM
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Hey Spud, in lieu of starting up this topic again, you need to write a Position Paper which when completed will be posted on the site. (I am completing the last touches on the template that I will email out to whomever requests it)
Spud, those with an interest in learning more about it can go there to research. Thanks
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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motherlodelofts
1450 posts
Feb 15, 2007
1:44 AM
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Spud , duct tape the ears, problem solved, LOL
Scott
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Spud
81 posts
Feb 15, 2007
7:52 AM
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Ok, I'll be good. Sorry to ruffle the "feathers" (Pun Intened!) It's interesting that this topic never comes up in Racing Homer Circles.
Spud
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AIREDALE
69 posts
Feb 15, 2007
9:50 AM
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Spud, let's face it.You brought up the Springer Spaniel issue as a springboard for the performance issue in Rollers.By the way,what's BHR? Is Birmingham two words now? Birming Ham Roller! The reason the Dog's ear's are shaped that way is because of the "originators" intent.To take a dog in the ring with Burrs and mats would'make much sense, and would'nt prove anything about its'hunting ability.Most national Dog clubs have a Conformation and a Field group.The two groups seem to get along quite well.It's a shame the roller groups don't do as well.Why does this same topic about breed purity keep coming up?It has been debated for decades and no resolution has been forthcoming.Just because a dog looks good he can't hunt. That makes no sense.ESPN use to have a show where Setters,Retrievers, and other sporting breeds that had no field experience were trained by proffessionals.It was amazing how much natural instinct these dogs possessed.All became expert in the job they were bred for.Stop beating this dead horse and move on to something constructive. John
Last Edited by on Feb 15, 2007 10:01 AM
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Spud
82 posts
Feb 15, 2007
10:20 AM
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John, what part of "I'll be good" don't you understand?
Spud
Ps. My intent wasn't to open up another slug fest. I've been on this sight for over three years, If you knew me you would know that's not what I'm about. My point was, breed away from performance, you may well loose it. Hunting dogs are a great example. Brain disagreed, great, I appreciate his candor and point of view. Why attack me for bringing it up. With an English Spring winning the dog show it seemed like a good time to make that point. Apparently some are bit sensitive to this topic. Ok, I'll go to bed with out any supper! Please Tony don't make do an essay too!
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1174 posts
Feb 15, 2007
10:36 AM
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Spud, that wasn't that dogs first win, in fact if I read it correctly, that was something like his 51st or 56th championship. He's retired now to get fat and bang bitches. I would like to have one of anything that is good enough to win that many times. That is quite a streak.
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Spud
83 posts
Feb 15, 2007
10:48 AM
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Can't argue with that Brian. He will make them some bucks. Lets how he can "perform" lol.
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