MCCORMICKLOFTS
1196 posts
Feb 20, 2007
10:32 PM
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Just a pigeon to look at.
Last Edited by on Feb 20, 2007 10:32 PM
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dave
295 posts
Feb 20, 2007
10:48 PM
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Nice looking bird Brian.
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JMHD
125 posts
Feb 20, 2007
10:53 PM
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Hey Brian Niice looking bird did you fly that bird out?
What is it out of? John M.Loft(HDRC)So,Ca.
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MILO
179 posts
Feb 20, 2007
11:22 PM
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B.
Can't see the pic.
c
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JayThor
3 posts
Feb 20, 2007
11:37 PM
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Very cool looking bird. I like it.
Jay Thor
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MILO
181 posts
Feb 21, 2007
12:52 AM
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ok...see it now...ya, nice bird.
c
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smokey
123 posts
Feb 21, 2007
3:20 AM
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nice bird brian
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CooCoo
48 posts
Feb 21, 2007
3:22 AM
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Lovely looking bird...........Dave
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Santandercol
796 posts
Feb 21, 2007
7:32 AM
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Wow,
You call that a griz I guess,eh?Nicest one I've seen.
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Kelly
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ArlenS
17 posts
Feb 21, 2007
8:56 AM
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Very nice. Is that black tiger grizzle out of your Horner stock?
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siddiqir
295 posts
Feb 21, 2007
9:24 AM
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Very nice looking bird? Which family?
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1197 posts
Feb 21, 2007
10:34 AM
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Thanks all. She is from my Reed family. Yes she would be a grizzle white flight, she is the combination of white flight badge and I believe homozygous undergrizzle. Either way she is the coolest mottle roller I've ever raised.
Lets have some fun like Milo did a while back.
Lets hear what you have to say about her, what you think she is like in the air, etc, etc. This should keep us on the roller topics eh!
Last Edited by on Feb 21, 2007 10:34 AM
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motherlodelofts
1481 posts
Feb 21, 2007
11:02 AM
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Brian , that bird type and feather wise looks like she can do it, can you send a better pick of her head ?
Scott
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W@yne
273 posts
Feb 21, 2007
11:09 AM
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I just get a red x in a box cant see the picture any ideas folks???
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1199 posts
Feb 21, 2007
11:21 AM
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Refresh the page until you can see it Wayne. It does that to me too sometimes.
Scott, That is the only picture I kept. I will see if I have an original in the folder which hasn't been down sized. Might be able to zoom in on her melon. I didn't take one that way because she was being pissy and wasn't expressing her normal self, so I just ran with what I could capture.
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W@yne
274 posts
Feb 21, 2007
11:55 AM
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Great looking bird Brian and thanks for the info worked a treat.
regards
W@yne uk
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STARFIRE
329 posts
Feb 21, 2007
11:59 AM
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-Hey W@yne:
Try right clicking the red -x-and click show picture.It works sometime.
STARFIRE
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1031 posts
Feb 21, 2007
12:11 PM
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20 to 25 footer,Average 30 rolls in 20 minutes.Slingshots back to kit.Kits like glue. David
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W@yne
275 posts
Feb 21, 2007
12:41 PM
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Starfire .
Good tip, That works fine also thank you Stan
Regards W@yne uk
Last Edited by on Feb 21, 2007 12:42 PM
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siddiqir
297 posts
Feb 21, 2007
1:03 PM
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Brian, answer to your other question by looking at her, I believe she is a stiff bird. The depth could be between 10-15 feet the most.
Last Edited by on Feb 21, 2007 1:04 PM
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classicpony
117 posts
Feb 21, 2007
1:46 PM
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Now thats what I call a "LOOKER"
Jim
@thebirdhouse
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MILO
183 posts
Feb 21, 2007
2:26 PM
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Well here it goes...LOL Given my unfamiliarity with that line it is simply a guess. Excellent body type, expression is brilliant. Not too deep, 25 max maybe, but stylish, fast, and med - frequency. Not a trigger bird, but a good individual. Again, the notable thing about her is how she carries herself, and yes, the photo might not be doing her justice.
c
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STARFIRE
331 posts
Feb 21, 2007
2:47 PM
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-Hey Guys;
Anybody that would even attempt to judge a birds performance by looking at a picture,sure isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.It just can't be done.Ive had birds for over 55yrs and I wouldn't even hazard a guess.
STARFIRE
Last Edited by on Feb 21, 2007 2:48 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
282 posts
Feb 21, 2007
2:51 PM
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I agree with Stan....I have seen birds that were identical, even to the point of full siblings, and were not even close as far as performance, but it is a sharp looking bird..Jerry
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Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
Last Edited by on Feb 21, 2007 3:21 PM
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MILO
184 posts
Feb 21, 2007
3:08 PM
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Congratulations Stan. Once again you have unknowingly insulted everyone that chose to participate in this post. Good job sharp knife.
c
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1201 posts
Feb 21, 2007
3:43 PM
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Stan, I don't believe there is anyone who can accurately guess a bird's performance, some can come close based on experience with a particular family, but it is more of a challenge to see what others see in a bird.
Keep um coming fellas.
Brian.
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1032 posts
Feb 21, 2007
3:49 PM
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I agree.I could never look at a pic and be able to tell what performance it does.However these types of post makes me pay more attention to detail in someones roller and helps me to look closer at my own.I have noticed the more I pay attention to detail the more I learn.David
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MILO
186 posts
Feb 21, 2007
4:53 PM
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Ya, like saying others are smart or not so sharp...LOL There is something to be said about how a roller is built. All things visible, namely physical makeup can tell us if the bird has the ability. Keel length, shape, stance, and many other things can tell us right off the bat if a bird has the ability. Anyone with a a few years under their belt can make a simple assessment like that. Simply put, birds built correctly have the potential, but birds that are not built well, do not. I cull birds on looks alone - BUT never stock the ones I think are going to be good. Does that make any sense? I hope so.
c
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birdman
314 posts
Feb 21, 2007
5:23 PM
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8-9 months old. Low, slow flier. Heavy appetite. Deep roll.
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Missouri-Flyer
285 posts
Feb 21, 2007
5:46 PM
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Hey Brian,
Can you share the answers as to the replies of this post, as far as what people have stated. Are their guesses close to how the bird performs?..Jerry
Or.........we can wait and see how many other guesses we get.. :)
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motherlodelofts
1482 posts
Feb 21, 2007
5:51 PM
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Stan makes a valid point, and I think that the new guys need to realize this.
With that said, unstable birds are pretty easy to spot , same with those that aren't built to spin hard , but there is always exceptions also.
Scott
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sundance
60 posts
Feb 21, 2007
6:15 PM
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Brian, this is just a guess , and I`m basing it on a bird that I raised a couple years ago with very similar coloring and build. The feathering looks to be very soft and not real tight. But the bird does have a nice typey build and head shape. I`m going to say it rolled 25 feet on average but wont keep it up in the second season. 10 to 15 footer after that. frequent enough though. but because of the feathering it looks a little sloppy in the roll. thats my guess... for what its worth.
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CSRA
4 posts
Feb 21, 2007
7:08 PM
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Brother Brian your friend up in Antelope Valley nice hen looks to be very solid and knowing you she was a good one by the way are the birds working out for you 900 series in 05
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1204 posts
Feb 21, 2007
9:47 PM
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Scott, here is a zoomed in and cropped melon shot, only one I had where she had her head sidways.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1205 posts
Feb 21, 2007
10:03 PM
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Okay, here is the skinny on the bird.
Siddiqr was closest to getting it right.
This bird is about 8 or 9 months old and she is a stiff. I have never seen her roll..ever.
She only does real fast single flips.
Her good points are that she is one of those birds that is always seated in the center of the kit near the front, and more than half of the time, her little Flip causes the many of the other birds in the kit to break, or so it appears. She appears to set the tone for the kit with her slow flying. She is a top perch bird that doesn't appear to have a high metabolism, probably because she isn't rolling.
The reason I took this picture was because I have been watching this hen for a while.
Her father was a great spinner and was stocked because of it. Both of his parents were hot.
This hen's mother was one of, if not on occasion, the best bird I raised that year.
That hen's mother is my foundation Reed hen that was lightning fast and has three daughters in the stock loft.
That hen's father was a 778/991 bred bird that came into the roll at three months of age and to my surprise, was never a problem and just got better and better until I decided to put him away.
So what is so weird about this hen is that she is all roll, lots of roll all the way around her for generation after generation. And good roll at that! But she does nothing more than flips.
I watched her for quite some time and put some serious thought into it, and have decided that my gut rules and this hen will breed later this spring, probably back to her father. Since she was weaned I have always liked her type and even more odd sounding, is I have always enjoyed seeing her color in the kit box. I never get a mottle like this. A veteran roller friend was over a few weeks ago and when this kit lighted down on the roof, he commented to me that she was one hell of an awesome looking roller. I told him, yah, but she hasn't shown me sh!t yet. His comments were he would take a loft full of birds that looked like that. I wouldn't want a loft full, but I would surely like to see some more colored like that in my kit boxes. Call it an added bonus. So the end result is in a few months, if the falcon doesn't get her, she will get a chance to pop out a few youngsters to see if my gut was right. The best pairings I have ever had were gut pairings, so I feel confident this will be a potentially good choice.
Brian.
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1033 posts
Feb 22, 2007
2:52 AM
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Brian.I bet in 2 or 3 months she will kick it loose.When she does start there will be no turning back for her.LOL.My old Pensom line were mostly all like this.Just flips untill around 9 month old and then one day just hit a 25 to 30 footer and just keep getting better.I just hate keeping a bird that long to see if its going to roll.
I really like the body style of her especially the head.David
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motherlodelofts
1485 posts
Feb 22, 2007
5:57 AM
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Brian, she looks very stable and strong , I'm with Dave though , plus on a whole knowing that the Reeds carry alot of roll if not too much I think she will come in given time.
Scott
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siddiqir
298 posts
Feb 22, 2007
8:33 AM
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I would just like to make a point. It was just my guess by looking at the picture and what I got from Brain's message that what do you think of this bird by just looking at the picture "your best guess" now it is nothing to do with which family it came from and every one know (the guys with rollers for couple of years) that even best families produced roll downs, stiff, and good % of culls. You guys took the post in wrong direction. I hope you guys get my point.
Last Edited by on Feb 22, 2007 8:35 AM
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MILO
193 posts
Feb 22, 2007
8:43 AM
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Makes for good thread though...maybe be should go back to ripping on crests. LOL We need more posts like this. JMO
c
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AIREDALE
73 posts
Feb 22, 2007
9:22 AM
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Really nice bird.Excelent thread.Brian,keep us posted as to her breeding career.She's got the "Type" she's got the "genes".Hope she produces for you. John
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Ballrollers
679 posts
Feb 22, 2007
10:36 AM
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Beautiful bird, Brian, both in type and feather color. I hope she comes through for you! Like Milo said, I hope you will remember her and keep us posted as to whether or not the pairing back to her father is productive.....could make us all think twice about some of our pairings.
YITS,
Cliff
Last Edited by on Feb 22, 2007 10:38 AM
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Flyin Hawaiian
24 posts
Feb 22, 2007
2:47 PM
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Hey Brian,
SWEEEEET Hen. Hey let me ask you this just from a picture observation point. Is she shallow in the keel and is the length a touch short of the vent? I don't have grizzle factor in any of my stock but it is nice to work with providing of course it is performance based LOL. That and spread makes up a nice looking grizzle IMHO
Ivan
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BEN the bird man
14 posts
Feb 22, 2007
5:08 PM
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that is a really nice bird Brian and it has a nice head on it
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Im the man in black
Last Edited by on Feb 22, 2007 5:37 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1213 posts
Feb 23, 2007
10:43 AM
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Ivan, in the hand she doesn't have a deep keel, not by my standards anyways. I would say her shape is somewhere between apple and a flat keel, slight round at the front with good muscle, the quick to the vent, flush with the vent, not inside. Strong back muscle, more of a compact bird than you would think in a picture.
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polarbear
117 posts
Jun 22, 2010
11:46 PM
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Brian, did you ever breed this hen? If so how did her offspring come out.
I know this is a old post in all, but I could not sleep.
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