parlorfancier916
249 posts
Feb 22, 2007
5:29 PM
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I just recently had a few squabs dying, well anyways I need advice about medication, I'm convinced by many fanciers that I need to switch from cures to preventers now that I've had a few birds(that I was depending on) die, can you guys help me out (share a few tips for this 2 4/6 year pigeon fancier and 1 year competitor) I would like to hear about the way you medicate birds so i can have a better understanding and have a much more opened mind when I earn the money to buy medications and preventers.
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BEN the bird man
17 posts
Feb 22, 2007
5:31 PM
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hey parlor if i where you i would get the 4 in 1 that tony sells on here it may help
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Norm_Knox
67 posts
Feb 22, 2007
8:40 PM
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4 in 1 like Ben said. I haven't had any birds get sick since I have wire floors. Worm them twice a year, little vinegar in the water , don’t let them land on the ground outside , and you should be fine. But like I said try 4 in 1, that stuff is great. Hope this helps a little. Later
Norm
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1180 posts
Feb 23, 2007
12:44 PM
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Hey Arlen, could not have said it better myself! LOL Great speaking with you yesterday.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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ArlenS
26 posts
Feb 23, 2007
12:56 PM
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Thanks Tony,
Unfortunately I experienced a similar situation last summer but the above-described course of action solved it. I would recommend a prompt similar course of action, because the young rollers that survived (nestmates of those that died) never reached their potential as flyers. Their development was stunted due to the infection. I keep them around to use them as my training and rescue squad because those birds were my daughters' pets. All the other birds made a full recovery. I never had to resort to the paratyphoid (salmonella) vaccine I bought. I tend to use Bio-Pro once per week in drinking water as a preventive (it contains the desirable bacteria) to keep the normal gut microbial flora at optimal levels which inhibits pathogen establishment. I have not had any problems since. Tony, I can't remember, but I thought you may have said you use it more frequently?
Last Edited by on Feb 23, 2007 1:03 PM
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Tony Chavarria
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1181 posts
Feb 23, 2007
4:19 PM
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Hey Arlen, everyday all my rollers get Pro-Bios along with vitamins and electrolytes. My birds are as healthy as they have ever been since I started using it.
BTW, wet and runny droppings from the breeders have mostly become a thing of the past in my loft. The secret that worked for me was using "Neomycin 325" for 7 days in the drinking water and then the daily use of Pro-Bios and vitamins and electrolytes after that.
Notwithstanding excessive water intake, I determined through my research and experiments with my birds that watery and loose droppings in my colony of birds was due to "enteritis", an overgrowth of bad bacteria which created ideal conditions for a foul gut. Seems using pellets can worsen the condition.
Before I started this new proactive health system, it was not uncommon to see my breeders acting "listless", puffed up and without energy. There would also be a strong stinky smell and if I took too long to clean the pens. The ammonia in the air could get really bad.
After I went to this proactive health system, my breeder loft has become a center of activity and breeding action. It is just "teaming" with life in there!
I see most eggs hatch, I see virtually every squab make it out of the nest and through weaning with no health problems.
My breeders have droppings that are firm and with the white cap on top. All the way around, I have improved the overall health and well-being of my colony of Ruby Rollers.
I am happier too. :)
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by on Feb 23, 2007 4:23 PM
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Electric-man
140 posts
Feb 23, 2007
7:31 PM
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Wow! I'm gonna sneak some in my wifes water!!! She is always puffed up and without energy! LOL
Last Edited by on Feb 23, 2007 7:33 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1182 posts
Feb 23, 2007
7:38 PM
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You better take some too, she gonna rock your world dude! LOL
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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motherlodelofts
1486 posts
Feb 23, 2007
8:32 PM
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can the 4-1 be used on breeding breeders ?
Scott
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1185 posts
Feb 23, 2007
9:42 PM
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Hey Scott, for me, if time was of the essense (bird going south real fast) I would not hesitate to use 4 in 1 if just to get a handle as fast as I could. But it is not a "cure all".
As you know, using some of this stuff is a hit or miss proposition, some ailments share the same type of symptoms. I have taken to trying to determine just what is ailing a bird so that I can give it a specific medication.
For example, if I had a birds with an eye problem, I would not give it 4 in 1, I would give it a tetracycline cocktail (Aureomycin and Terramycin) to treat what is probably a respiratory problem.
If a young or especially a weaning bird seems to be looking less than normal, I would suspect canker, if the cheesy mess is present, I am going to give it Sulmet powder in water. If not canker then perhaps coccidiosis. Although there are other meds that can be used.
As for breeders, I would go with the Neomycin 325 (it is not absorbed by the intestines and so is not passed to the body) for 7 days and then go heavy with the Pro-Bios for a week and then taper to a maintenance amount (I use 1 level tablespoon per 3 gallons of water).
Pro-Bios: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by on Feb 23, 2007 9:44 PM
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Velo99
941 posts
Feb 24, 2007
1:22 AM
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I do the pro bios during and after stressful times. I have some tabs I cut up and mix with the seed.Along with vitamins and some ACV my birds are pretty healthy most of the time.
I will say this. If you have chicks dying in the nest and eggs not hatching, good chance it is salmonella or ecoli.Tony has an injectible called sal bac.
I hit all my breeders in mid December when I had some salmonella going around. It kept the disease in check and eventually I was able to "defeat" it.
When I paired up in early January the hens all laid two eggs and all of them hatched. So far all the chicks are the picture of health. Take from this what you will. I lost 8 birds in two days. Two of them breeders.Stuff works along with other facets of ridding my flock of this condition.
yits
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V99
Good spinners don`t always
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Last Edited by on Feb 24, 2007 1:24 AM
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ArlenS
28 posts
Feb 24, 2007
4:14 PM
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During my bout with Salmonella last summer, it started with 2 younger chicks dying at about 1 week old, one other with severely stunted growth and wavy-edged flight feathers. All the adults got watery diarrhea and slimy green sour smelling loose stools. Two cocks had convulsions twice each. One cock would nibble at his V-perch and drool. I treated them during breeding with Amoxicillin for 7 days. They got it back three weeks later. I had to treat again for 10 days. This time I followed with pro-biotic and they recovered. The source may have been mice that got into feeders that I had left in a few times after dark when I got home from work late. Now, I always remove feeders after feeding, except for breeders, which I remove before or at dark. If I get home later than that, I dump all the remaining seed in the feeder out as a precaution. I can tell when mice have been into them because the safflower has nibble holes in it. The four surviving Neible young never developed as flyers. I need to continue to work on the rodents more aggresively. As a result I put 3"x 1/2" wire floors in my new kitbox and breeder box. It keeps out mice but the drawback is the floor needs scraping and encourages mating activity as birds don't mind being on it.
Last Edited by on Feb 24, 2007 4:29 PM
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MILO
198 posts
Feb 24, 2007
4:34 PM
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Hi.
I have been doing this with excellent results for about 5 years now. I separate my breeders in the winter, and they stay fairly well fed and healthy. Before I put my pairs together I hit them with a 4 in 1, regardless of whether they need it or not. BUT, I give the preventative dose, not the medicated does...which if memory serves, runs about 4-5 days less than a real treatment. Then, I hit them with a full dose of vitamins after that. I double the recommended dose. Anything they don't need will be passed through their waste. Better to have more, than not enough. My breeders always have vitamins in the water. I find some pairs pick through grains when they should eat them all, and this vitamin conditioning works like a charm. Since beginning this process a few years ago, I haven't had a single squeaker die. Well, the cold maybe, but not due to illness. Another thing that I think has helped is the water. Make sure it is crystal clean. No stagnant water either. If it's old, change it. I use the bullet type waterer, where if allowed, a roosting bird will crap on the top, and the dropping will ooze down the side and get in the water...I use a wire, attach it to the top, and run it to the top of the breeder roof, where it connects with a loop hook. Wire is about one ft long. This keeps the pair from finding the top of the waterer to roost, and keeps the water clean. And finally, keep the feed as far as possible from the water. When the pair is sifting through grain, it minimizes grain contamination by keeping it far, where seeds can find themselves in the bottom of the bottle. My youngsters just all hatched the other day, and they look great! These are some keys to having healthy young. Good luck.
c
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parlorfancier916
255 posts
Feb 24, 2007
5:03 PM
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found one of my cusion's parlor squab cold and almost frozen to death today, maybe it's the cold that's killing them off don't know my uncle is coming down tommorrow to check it out.
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parlorfancier916
256 posts
Feb 25, 2007
12:26 PM
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man wished I can talk to my birds, turns out it was ecoli, what a bummer... I'll save a few bucks so I can buy some 4 in 1..
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1187 posts
Feb 25, 2007
12:42 PM
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Hey Parlor, send me your mailing address and I will ship you a 4 in 1 on Monday. You can pay me later.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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parlorfancier916
259 posts
Feb 25, 2007
10:01 PM
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sorry Tony, I sometimes I forget about who i owe money too so I'll just save up my money it's better for me and for you...
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chewy
5 posts
Feb 26, 2007
12:10 PM
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hey parlor man u should cause u dont want your birds dying on ya.......well let me explain a bit about you and your bro's loft..
first of all your loft needs to be dry at all times...
second of all you guys needs to raise it up cause if there's mice around man birds get effections rite away if they get in contact so i suggest that u two put some wire floors on the free loft...
i mean get ur address to tony cause that medication's man will help a lot on your birds.......well nice visiting u two yesterday.............
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W@yne
281 posts
Feb 26, 2007
12:29 PM
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Parlor ,
Listen to what Tonys saying,
You need to get them birds medicated pretty quick or you may lose more birds. You cant wait around when you have problems in your loft get them treated asap you may regret the delay in treating your birds so take Tony up on the offer and stop dilly dallying.
regards
W@yne uk
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Velo99
947 posts
Feb 26, 2007
3:48 PM
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I`ll chip in $5.00
v99
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Good spinners don`t always
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Missouri-Flyer
293 posts
Feb 26, 2007
3:50 PM
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Tony,
if the kid can't afford the meds, send me the bill. I will tack it onto my order..Jerry
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Velo99
949 posts
Feb 26, 2007
4:09 PM
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There it is. Your da man Jer!
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V99
Good spinners don`t always
make good breeders.
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1192 posts
Feb 27, 2007
7:05 AM
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Got it Jerry, and thanks to you and Kenny for offering to help Parlor. Maybe someday he can pass it forward!
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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