lil_jess
16 posts
Feb 28, 2007
1:03 AM
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Anybody know anything about these Platz white roller. And etc. Need to know some history.
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3757
113 posts
Feb 28, 2007
8:41 AM
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Pauls grizzles, some refer to them as white, derived from Hilton (Pensom) and Pensom blood of the old 626/601 blood from Lester Lehmeyer. There was also some Pensom red headed hen grizzle blood also. Paul always distinguished his birds as being from Pensom and Hilton families which was correct.
Last Edited by on Feb 23, 2008 5:43 AM
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Alohazona
245 posts
Feb 28, 2007
8:55 AM
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The grizzle side to the continental family I have is heavily influenced by the red headed hen.They are my deepest performers,ball bearing smooth rolling.Big Foot my deepest bird is an 80 footer,and has sired my best performing hen....Aloha,Todd
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lil_jess
17 posts
Feb 28, 2007
11:46 AM
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If so, why are these little fellas are unknowned to the roller world. Is it because they are not competition birds, attract hawk, and etc. Will got two young and it took me almost a year to find and own them. Other than that you'll find them on webshot and have no contact info.
dnd i got the last remaining from a breeder roller fancier. He only have one left and are going straight to the #1 team.
Last Edited by on Feb 28, 2007 11:47 AM
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3757
114 posts
Feb 28, 2007
12:01 PM
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Jess - Was your question referring to Platz whites regarding the birds being known?
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lil_jess
18 posts
Feb 28, 2007
12:03 PM
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yeap!!!
Last Edited by on Feb 28, 2007 12:04 PM
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3757
115 posts
Feb 28, 2007
12:16 PM
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If my memory is correct, Paul passed away in 1993. That was 14 years ago. Paul was around for 40 years and was a fine gentleman and a good roller man. He had his beliefs and concentrated on what he desired. 40 years ago the majority of individuals had Pensom rollers. 40 years prior it was Whittinghams. 40 years from now kit competition may not be the in thing! Because something is not around today does not make it a bad thing or good thing it just may mean that many people are not interested in breeding self whites as Paul did or breeding Whittinghams, Caspersons etc.
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lil_jess
19 posts
Feb 28, 2007
12:21 PM
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so to get it straight again, what strain was behind these white roller. And during that time do you know who purchased all his birds.
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3757
116 posts
Feb 28, 2007
12:32 PM
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Paul Platz whites were of the Pensom strain originally. At the time of his death the birds were purchased by a gentleman in Bakersfield by the name of Steve Parry. I have no knowledge of whether Steve still has this family or not.
Last Edited by on Apr 08, 2008 9:43 PM
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lil_jess
20 posts
Feb 28, 2007
12:37 PM
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thank you for the info, it help alots, any further info will be thankful too.
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DeepSpinLofts
637 posts
Apr 26, 2008
1:46 AM
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I also get recessive (whites) from my grizzles and torts through my Plonas.
My theory is that these recessive birds had a common ancestor with the Platz whites via WH Pensom Black Country imports.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Apr 26, 2008 1:46 AM
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Fire_Baller_916
230 posts
Apr 26, 2008
7:27 AM
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If Bill Penson got his birds from the black country, why do people call them birmingham rollers??? Birmingham is just a city in England...Wouldn't they be known as the black country rollers??? and im sure that Pensom wasn't the only one that imported rollers too...How could rollers at the time be speard threw out the US just from one guy??? Im pretty sure there were also a few guys that imported rollers too...
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Chai Seng
www.freewebs.com/raining_fire_loft
Last Edited by on Apr 26, 2008 7:30 AM
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DeepSpinLofts
641 posts
Apr 26, 2008
8:08 AM
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Good morning Fireballer_916....
They called it Black Country in the United Kingdom during the World War One era due to the smoke and soot in the English towns from all of the coal being burned in the machinist factories.
Many of the roller men worked in those coal burning factories during WWWI and manufactured military weapons.
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When they would get breaks from a hard days work... they could often be found in the English Pubs drinking up gobs of liquor and talking about who has the best rolling pigeons.... and so forth.
NOTE: In those days, many of the roller men in and around the Birmingham area usually lived just walking distance from where they worked and drank at.
Take care...
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
(707) Area Code
Last Edited by on Apr 26, 2008 12:58 PM
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crystalpalace
341 posts
Apr 26, 2008
11:07 AM
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Steve Parry is a friend of mine and lives in Fresno, California. Steve bought the whole stud of Paul Platz white rollers whle he was living in the country side in Madera, California. I traded three pair of the Paul Platz whites for three pair of my Helmets. A few of the original are still being bred in my loft. Steve sold the entire stud to a roller breeder living in the San Dieago, California area. I got the privledge to talk and look at Pauls rollers at the NPA Grand National Show held in San Diego, California in 1978. Paul enjoyed showing his rollers at many shows held in southern California. He flew his rollers too. A real promoter in the pigeon fancy was Paul Platz. As ever, Ray Sanchez.
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Hector Coya
104 posts
Apr 26, 2008
11:41 AM
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PR_rollers
970 posts
Apr 26, 2008
3:13 PM
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Hector sup Bro,very good looking white you have there,whats behind that ??
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Ralph....
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sippi
184 posts
Apr 26, 2008
7:20 PM
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Lil Jess mds65 has some Platz and has written some info on them. He is trying to raise a full kit to fly. I had some but the hawks went through them pretty bad. That was many years back when I lived close to Jacksonville and it was hawk city.
sippi
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creeksidelofts
18 posts
Apr 27, 2008
5:28 AM
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I bought 2 pair of whites(3 orange eyed) a year ago and one hen died on me.The other that I thought was a hen turned out to be a very small(bull eyed) cock bird.So now I have three cock birds.I thought at the time they were Plaz birds but I read he never threw any bull eyed white because they were out of grizzles.I have some in the air out of all three cocks.They are crossed on three different familys to see which they click with.I have them with a Rick Mee hen,one with a pensom hen and the other with a Danny Horner Jaconette hen. Tony
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