rollerman132
79 posts
Mar 03, 2007
7:27 PM
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Someone stated that Pensom was so good at flying birds, he could bet you with a kit from the kid down the street. What’s your view on management? Is it more important then the strain?
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1241 posts
Mar 03, 2007
8:25 PM
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Management is the foundation of any kit. You can have the best strain in the world, but if you don't manage them properly, they will greatly disappoint you.
Some managers can take average birds and bring out the best in them.
A strain won't win you any competition, or automatically put better birds in your kit boxes. Management does that.
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Flyin Hawaiian
69 posts
Mar 04, 2007
5:23 AM
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Brian has summed it up well in his post. Look at it this way. When you first bought your VCR 12.00 was flashing along time before you figured out how to set the timer LOL. This runs parallel to having to much of a bird and stock without good management skills to know how to get the best from them. When it comes to competition and getting the optimun level of performance out of the birds it is those who understand thier family that will be on top. Management is 60% or more in the final outcome at fly's end assumming of coarse you have decent quality stock in which to work with.
Ivan
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Missouri-Flyer
313 posts
Mar 04, 2007
5:27 AM
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Well said Brian, Ivan!..Jerry
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classicpony
126 posts
Mar 04, 2007
6:17 AM
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I think we might have found something we all agree on, Management of the birds and loft is everything.
Jim
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Missouri-Flyer
315 posts
Mar 04, 2007
6:30 AM
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Lets go a step further....
Ivan, if I may ask, without giving away to many of your "secrets..LOL", could you explain your management of your kit, lets say a week before comp. day, and also if you do anything special, as far as feeding your breeders..
How important is giving a bathing tub for your birds (kit and breeders)?
Another, for those that breed in indiv. cages,is it important for those birds to get any exercise as far as being able to stay healthy and in shape, without their wings and muscles becoming weak, like old fat humans..LOL..?..Thanks, Jerry
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MILO
230 posts
Mar 04, 2007
12:10 PM
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Huge pitfall with new fanciers: They think they can spend big bucks on birds from the top fliers in the world and expect to win. More often than not, they fall flat on their face and blame it on the birds. Anyone ever heard of this? It takes years to get it right, regardless of family. It isn't rocket science, but then it isn't as easy as making a PB&J sandwich. LOL
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nicksiders
1435 posts
Mar 04, 2007
2:01 PM
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Bad management can screw up good birds. So many people think they can buy(or steal) a champion kit. Doesn't work that way. If you are a lazy dumb ass you will never do well no matter whose family you buy or steal.
Of couse this is just my opinion.
Nick
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luis
210 posts
Mar 04, 2007
8:18 PM
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I'm with Milo on this one.That's why i know i got a ways to go before i can consider myself or my birds ready for competition.
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Santandercol
834 posts
Mar 04, 2007
8:46 PM
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A guy can think he's learning about managing his birds a bit then BOOM!In come the preds.Lost 3 Y/Bs last week to Henerys then today had 10 squeakers out in the training cage over the traps and went into the front yard for 5 minutes.When I came to the backyard again there was a Coopers hanging off the cage trying to rip apart one of my little red guys.He'll be ok just a scratch under one wing I put some iodine on it but jeez it's gonna be hard to manage anything around here if this keeps up.Hoping things get better by the end of the month.
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Flyin Hawaiian
77 posts
Mar 06, 2007
12:58 PM
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Hi Jerry,
This is long over due so I will try an answer your questions.
1 What I do a week before comp day is keep pushing the boots further and further under the bed LOL! What works for one family of birds may not work for the next. It really depends upon what the weather is doing and the kit is doing going into the final prep week for competition. Those two things in combination determines alot for me. I really don't want alot of rolling heading into the last week of my comp day you will envitably miss them in the window if you have them to roll fit going into comp day. I will say this that to often the prep is done with the paranoya of thinking that they need to be flown one more time to reassure you that thier on. Scanning a kit is an observation from experience and can't be taught but rather learned by many hours of observations. I think this is another subject matter on prepping a kit for comp.
2. I don't do anything special with my breeders accept furninshing them with the very best of feed I can and making sure they have all the vits and mins that can be helpful and easy on them to maintain thier health and the health of thier young.
3. Baths for the birds is definitely a feather conditioning thing and a circualtion stimulation just as it would be for ourselves. I reccomend it for the health and wealth of the feathers. This will keep them supple and strong without drying out and breaking off at the flight ends of coarse nutrition plays apart in it as well.
4. Yeah exercise is essential to keeping the reproduction motor going. When the hens get to fat you have problems with them becomng egg bound and especially in younger hens that are in thier first year in the stock pen that can become paralized after laying thier first egg. Hope this helps.
Ivan
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Missouri-Flyer
327 posts
Mar 06, 2007
5:32 PM
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Thanks Ivan,
Just trying to pick a brain that is more developed than mine..LOL..Jerry
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