JMHD
141 posts
Mar 03, 2007
7:39 PM
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Blue Ck Badge Cock
John M.Loft(HDRC)So,Cal.
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luis
207 posts
Mar 03, 2007
11:30 PM
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Hey John ,that looks like a dark check to me!
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JMHD
142 posts
Mar 04, 2007
2:24 AM
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Hey Luis this is a Dark CK.
John M.Loft(HDRC)So,Cal.
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GREEN
4 posts
Aug 20, 2007
12:25 PM
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(Moderated) give me a call to 1-310-696-3095..
Green, you need to read and comply with the posting policy!
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• The offer to buy or sell, trade or give away any pigeon or pigeon related product or service. There are sufficient websites that offer these services for free or a minimal fee.
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Last Edited by on Aug 20, 2007 1:06 PM
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Mount Airy Lofts
258 posts
Aug 20, 2007
12:53 PM
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John,
That Blue Check looks like he is longish. Anytime I get a bird that strong looking and longish in body usually spells high flying. Do you find this true in your family of rollers as well?
Great looking bird you got there on the ground, how does he perform.
In my family, I have learn that if I want my birds to stay at a viewable height, I need to breed away from that high flying gene. If this means that I will lose the longish typical look - a trait in my family, so be it.
Thor
P.S. Pearl eyes seem to double the chances of a long bird being a high flier in my family. A side note, the longer bodied bird also seems to be the best styled rollers in my family - too bad they seem to all ways be the highest flying birds as well.
Last Edited by on Aug 20, 2007 12:54 PM
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MILO
402 posts
Aug 20, 2007
1:42 PM
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I didn't find that cockbird to be longish at all. It is just a lousy picture. Or were you refering to the bird above that one?
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Last Edited by on Aug 20, 2007 1:44 PM
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Mount Airy Lofts
259 posts
Aug 20, 2007
2:07 PM
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The Blue Check Badge - not the T-Check self
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Gregg
172 posts
Aug 20, 2007
2:47 PM
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Thor,
John can put that badge in a box and USPS it to Illinois any time he likes. I've got a couple that look a bit like that bird. Especially love the eye on that bird and the clean lines and station give me the impression of a solid little ball of a roller.
Of course I have always maintained that you can't tell a good bird from a picture, but in this case, a picture is worth a thousand words. And the man posting same and the birds that he has and the family they are from speak volumes. That is a really nice pigeon, JMHO.
Gregg.
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Alohazona
302 posts
Aug 20, 2007
3:00 PM
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Thor,
I think it will be interesting to see what John says,but I think your right on the points you brought up.My family is close to what you have,and I have noticed the same characteristics.Is there anything you have done in the breeding loft to try and shorten the flying height and keep the time down.Feed can help from time to time,in the long run the change needs to be made in the breeder pen.BTW,you're right I love the roll that comes off them....Aloha,Todd
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tapp
287 posts
Aug 20, 2007
7:33 PM
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JHMD, I now have 17 that look like that dark ck, They are Campbells line. Nice looking birds you got there.
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Tapp
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Ballrollers
852 posts
Aug 21, 2007
9:37 AM
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Very nice badge, John. Badges are among my favorites (for looks), and this one looks like a keeper! See ya in September!
Cliff
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Mount Airy Lofts
260 posts
Aug 21, 2007
6:56 PM
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Todd,
I believe the high flying genes are in most families... and all we can do is breed away from it. It especially seems to be in my family. Having said that, that has been what I have been doing for the past years. It seems to be working so far - knock on wood.
In the past two years, I don't recall losing any to over flies - have not gone thru my performance record lately so I can't confirm that. Unless you count the youngsters lost during the settling in process?
From the day I starting noticing which lines seemed to be producing the high flying youngsters, I started selecting away from these lines (culling the breeder out of my program on some occassion) or making sure my matings don't have a double doze of it... cross breeding within the famliy. Since then, it seems to be working. As most fliers know, youngsters are not suppose to sky out, well apparently some of mine does.
I am now culling out any young bird that shows it will be a high flier. Young birds that sky out 50% or more on every release will be culled. This year, I have only culled 1 young bird out at 3 1/2 months old. You really have to watch your young birds as some young birds in my family will fly above the kit when coming into the roll. These birds will be given ample time to come in and correct itself - if not, gotta cull it. I don't breed alot of birds so I don't have the birds to cull but culling is a process every one has to do to achieve the max enjoyment from their rollers.
The only advice I have for you Todd is to select away from it. Observe which birds are producing the high flying youngsters. Cull it from your breeding program if it produces high flying on anything you put him on. You may not have the birds or access to birds to do this at this time but when you do, I believe it would be in your best favor. Love the roll they possess, just don't love how much you have to do to keep them viewable. It is a on going process and I'll know more in acouple more years of breeding and selecting.
Just flying commies right now,
Thor
P.S. John's Blue Check sure is a good looking bird on the ground.
P.S.S. The two long time competition flier I have access to here that started me out have lost a total of 4 kits just this year to over flies. One guy lost 1, the other lost 3 (whole kits of 15 plus birds). Shows you how much you can lose if you don't deselect it from your breeding. I would rather lose acouple of really young birds than to lose kits after kits wouldn't any one?
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Mount Airy Lofts
261 posts
Aug 21, 2007
7:04 PM
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Gregg,
Ah, Blue Check Badge - is Blue Check considered a color bird? Just kidding budd, sure looks good on the ground. Keep up the great work and keep them safe...
Your MN Bud,
Thor
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Mount Airy Lofts
262 posts
Aug 21, 2007
7:19 PM
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Tood,
Fly time seems to be all in how much and what you feed them. Flying time hasn't been a problem - meaning my birds fly way past 20 mins in pretty much any weather condition (-10 plus to wind gust over 30 mph). I have seem here that weather plays alot in some of the families here, this doesn't seem to be the case in my birds. I think we should be glad our birds fly longer more so shorter. As I have witness alot of DQ's here from certain individuals time after time because of weather related conditions.
Thor
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Gregg
173 posts
Aug 21, 2007
7:33 PM
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Thor,
How you doing bud. That girlfriend still keeping you in line?
Just a quick note on your high flying birds. What are you feeding them, Super Dog Chow! Try cutting the wheat and giving them more milo. Your suppose to control them, not vice versa. LOL. Take Care.
Gregg.
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JMHD
212 posts
Aug 22, 2007
1:14 AM
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Thor a bird that is longer in type will usually fly high more so in certain family's.This cock is Houghton i dont get many that fly high though if i would i would cull it. this cock before being stocked was 25'to 30' frequent with Excellent quality. Going to breed him as soon as a individual pen is available. Here is his sire
John MLoft(HDRC)So,Cal.
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JMHD
213 posts
Aug 22, 2007
1:20 AM
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Gregg i would like to send him but i have plans for him Lol
Cliff see you at the convention.
John M Loft(HDRC)So,Cal.
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SAT Roller
6 posts
Aug 22, 2007
6:59 AM
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This site is very very bad,,,, LOL :) A lot of the threads on this site have pictures of beautiful birds and I still don't have my loft finished. It ain't fair...........
Nice looking birds!!!
Richard
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Santandercol
1353 posts
Aug 22, 2007
7:57 AM
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Richard,
By this time next year you'll have at least a couple kitboxes FULL of Rollers to fly out!!
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Kelly
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DUCKS N ROLLERS
19 posts
Aug 22, 2007
8:18 AM
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To SAT/ROLLER
I KNOW THE FEELING,IM ALMOST DONE WITH MY KIT BOX BUT RIGHT NOW I FEEL LIKE THAT KID AT THE CANDY STORE WITH HIS FACE SMASHED UP AGAINST THE STORE WINDOW.
I WOULD LIKE ONE OF THOSE AND ONE OF THOSE AND THAT ONE THERE.
MIKE.
Last Edited by on Aug 22, 2007 8:19 AM
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Mount Airy Lofts
263 posts
Aug 22, 2007
2:06 PM
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Gregg,
Update, that girl friend became my wife this year. Bad idea you think :?
I have been experimenting with the feed for as long as I can remember having this family trying to get them flying lower and shorter. Chicken scratch, straight wheat, straight red milo, high protein pigeon mix, straight corn, etc.
Seems like the best grains have been what I have been usually for the past 2 years now. A 60% wheat and 40% milo plus or minus. Seems to do the job - if it isn't broke why fix it :) A mix given to them every so days when needed. I am pretty sure it is genetic and not the so much the feed.
Maybe it's not the dog chow but the dog bowl I use for next bowls :)
Hope the roll is coming along more on those colors...
Keep safe,
Thor
P.S. Nice looking Sire. Reminds me of the Ken Easly birds Ken have been posting on another Roller forum. If I'm not so hard headed about keeping what I have, I would of sent a box first all ready for those birds posted. Nice looking birds - thanks for the performance detail as well. Nice to look at a photo, even nicer to know what they did :)
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