Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1052 posts
Mar 08, 2007
3:53 AM
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Get some Blue hens.LOL. David
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gotspin7
9 posts
Mar 08, 2007
4:25 AM
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I am pretty sure all the other colors will be coming on the
next rounds, Sal
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nicksiders
1446 posts
Mar 08, 2007
8:57 AM
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Well, if you have paired your best to the best and feel good about it then fly the red offspring. Color don't mean a shitten ass thing anyway, does it?
If they are producing a high percentage of solid performers, I think you would be happy with everything else to include the color.
Just my opinion........of course.
Nick
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lil_jess
22 posts
Mar 08, 2007
10:07 AM
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try mating the young back to the parents. Maybe a young red back to red mother will produce yellow and young red back to father etc. Just my thought.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1249 posts
Mar 08, 2007
11:38 AM
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If all the colors you mentioned were cocks, and you said they were all mated to red hens, if those hens are ash red, then all of the red young you raised are automatically cock birds.
Recessive red is totally different.
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Phantom1
156 posts
Mar 08, 2007
11:42 AM
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If you don't know the difference between Ash Red and Recessive Red, if you post pics, we'll be able to help you. Nick is right though - if performance is of the utmost importance to you, you may just be in a pickle.
Me personally, I don't have any Rec. Red in my loft - only one Ash Red too. I don't care for the color so choose not to include it in my stock. If Red is an issue for you, you may consider trying to isolating it into a sub-family or doing away with the majority of it and replacing it with the quality of roller you want, in the color you want.
Eric
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ArlenS
37 posts
Mar 08, 2007
2:11 PM
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You haven't provided enough information to be certain what you are dealing with. In addition to the important ash red versus recessive red question, are the cocks you call "white", "dun", and "silver", blue pigeons or ash red pigeons? White is most likely homozygous grizzle (both of the 2 genes carried for normal versus grizzle are grizzle) and may also include the pied gene. Homozygous grizzle blue pigeons are white with dark stork markings on the ends of flights. Homozygous ash red grizzle pigeons are mostly white with a few small red marks on their necks. Dun or silver can mean dilute blue as in "silver dun", or dun or silver can be the color appearance of an ash red with the spread gene that can appear as brown or silver (called lavender). If the cocks are blue pigeons, you will be able to get some blue offspring. If they are homozygous (both of the 2 color genes the cock carries are the same) ash red cocks mated with ash red hens, you won't. If a cock is heterozygous - appears ash red but also carries blue (you will see black spots called ticks in their tail and flights), you will get some blue offspring - approximately 25% of total offspring should be blue hens.
Recessive red colors the wing flights and tail with red. Recessive red birds that are blue underneath versus ash red may have a gray back. Ash red birds that are not recessive red have ash colored tail and flights.
With respect to recessive red:
1) If both the cock and hen are recessive red (each carry two genes for recessive red versus normal), all offspring will be recessive red.
2) If one is recessive red and the other carries it (does not appear recessive red), 50% will be recessive red and 50% will carry it.
3) If one is recessive red and the other is not, none will be recessive red but all will carry it.
4) If neither the cock or hen appears recessive red, but both the cock and hen carry one copy of the recessive red gene, 25% of the offspring will be homozygous recessive red and appear recessive red, 50% will carry but not appear recessive red, and 25% will not carry recessive red.
Last Edited by on Mar 08, 2007 2:57 PM
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George Ruiz
193 posts
Mar 08, 2007
6:05 PM
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Nate dont worry brother its in the Family!
you are now breeding from the Worlds winningest family )several titles world Cup,Fall fly, club flys state champinships.
Just sit back and enjoy the ride bro, I have 90% reds
just remember RED IS ROLL !
George
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nicksiders
1450 posts
Mar 08, 2007
6:52 PM
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So, we are going to change the pairings to change the color? I guess that is one way to improve performance. Never would have thunk it myself.....geesh, it is simple.
Nick
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George Ruiz
196 posts
Mar 08, 2007
7:13 PM
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Hey Slick
first you have to have THE FAMILY
You cant make Steak out of Noddles
George
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1252 posts
Mar 08, 2007
7:49 PM
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George, I have ZERO recessive red in my Horner family....they do just fine against THE Family...lol.
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nicksiders
1455 posts
Mar 08, 2007
8:09 PM
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George,
Well, I can't think of any cute combinations to put with "George" and I have been called "Slick" before(LOL).
What I am trying to say, George if you have paired your best to your best and you feel good about what you have paired then who gives a darn about the color of the offspring. Why would you want to change the pairings until the performance of the offspring has been evaluated?
Apparently it is something you didn't do(90% being red) and I am not in disagreement with you.
I made this not in direct conflict with your immediate post; just a general comment to the thread in its entirety.
Sorry, if I offended.
Slick
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George Ruiz
198 posts
Mar 08, 2007
8:28 PM
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Nick I did not get offended just pulling your chain bro,
Take care
George
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George Ruiz
200 posts
Mar 08, 2007
8:36 PM
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Mac have you ever flown a whole kit of Horners ?
or were they mixed with the J. Smith,R.Gibson, N.Reed, stuff ?
just wondering.
Courious
George
Last Edited by on Mar 08, 2007 8:37 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1254 posts
Mar 08, 2007
10:12 PM
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Many have been mostly the horner stuff with the remaining either my Black Elvis stuff and occasionally a Reed based bird. When was the last time you saw a RR in my kits?..lol.
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roll-n-4-ever
11 posts
Mar 09, 2007
12:40 PM
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FIRST OF ALL, THIS COLD HAS BEEN KICKING MY BUT. IM SOORY I DID'NT GET A CHANCE TO REPLY TO ALL THE COMENTS... THANKS FOR THE INPUT ITS ALWAYS APPRECIATED.
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sac_spinners
69 posts
Mar 09, 2007
12:45 PM
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I wouldn't care that much about the colors or what color they breed as long as they can roll and get the job done its good with me
Chor
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