trevsta65
76 posts
Mar 11, 2007
1:09 AM
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just wondering if anyone else has exprerienced this problem this is the second pair of young that i have had with this problem. when that the feathers on their back and their tail feathers do not develope at the same rate as the rest of their body.looks real strange do you think i should continue breeding from the pair that is causing it.it is not happening all the time. cheers trev
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W@yne
299 posts
Mar 11, 2007
3:12 AM
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Trevstar
Do you mean feather quill on tail not opening up. Take a picture of the problem and post for all to see.
regards W@yne uk
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Flyin Hawaiian
95 posts
Mar 11, 2007
4:04 AM
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Trevor,
You must be feeding your breeders a commercial mixed grain with alot of peas mixed in the mix. They are probably gorging themselves on the peas and the high protien stuff and this will cause this problem where the quills do not burst through the thick shield on the shaft of the feather. I would thin down the mix with some wheat so it isn't so rich. Unless you are getting what they call a silky youngster where by none of the shafts penetrate that thick shield than it probably isn't a genetic defect.
Ivan
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trevsta65
77 posts
Mar 11, 2007
9:25 PM
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trevsta65
78 posts
Mar 11, 2007
9:25 PM
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trevsta65
79 posts
Mar 11, 2007
9:26 PM
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Santandercol
863 posts
Mar 11, 2007
9:29 PM
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Poor little guys.Good thing it is warm where you live Trev.I hope some feathers come in soon.
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Kelly
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trevsta65
80 posts
Mar 11, 2007
9:31 PM
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ivan i do use a commercial mix .and it does already have a fair quanity of wheat already in the mix.but im finding the breeders are not eating it they eat all the other seed and leave the wheat . should i not feed them for a day or so and make them eat the wheat to.cheers trev
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trevsta65
81 posts
Mar 11, 2007
9:33 PM
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have you seen this before kelly has it ever happened to any of yours. cheers trev
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Santandercol
864 posts
Mar 11, 2007
9:43 PM
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Hey Trev,
I have the same problem with most of my breeders throwing the wheat out of the hopper.They just want the peas milo and safflower.But no never seen them feather like that before.Looks like there are some feathers coming in on those birds tho'.Do the other birds peck at them at all?I'd be concerned about that.----------
Kelly
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1258 posts
Mar 11, 2007
9:58 PM
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Sometimes you will see that as the result of the young being scalped at a young age. But since you said it has happened to the same offspring from two rounds, I'd say it is a genetic issue. The reason is because I experienced something similar, not the same degree, but similar in a pair a bred from in the past. I discovered it was something having to do with the cock bird as he would produce a few that would always be really messed up in the feather development when mated to different hens. I also noticed that none of those offspring ever turned out right later on, even though they molted in fine. Not to say that is the case with yours, but just something that I experienced.
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W@yne
301 posts
Mar 11, 2007
11:11 PM
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Trevatar
Looks like a genetic problem breeding to close. I never had problems with mason birds like that but my friend bred birds with no eyes and pointed heads. Trevstar first round you said was the same did the feather growth prevail? I would swap that pr around Trevstar. If you said that this was happening on more birds i would of thought some kind of depluming mite but a guess at that.Ive had birds loose feather growth through that problem but only on chest area.
Jmho
Regards
W@YNE uk
Last Edited by on Mar 11, 2007 11:14 PM
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trevsta65
82 posts
Mar 12, 2007
1:31 AM
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wayne the first pair that it happened to have turned out fine you wouldnt even notice that it looked that bad when they were feathering. they are just starting to roll and as of yet i can see no problems .cheers trev
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Gregg
42 posts
Mar 12, 2007
5:36 AM
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Trev,
It is nutritional. The cock bird is responsible for the majority of the food the youngsters get after the eighth to tenth day. He is going short on something, I'm not sure what but I'm with Ivan in that I would start making them clean up everything before feeding more. I would also add some vitamins and minerals to the water and be sure to keep the grit container full.
These young are not being scalped by another adult bird in the loft. If they were, there would be places where the skin was broken and the resulting blood would leave dried blood scabs that would be readily visible. It is definitely nutritional in nature.
Of course I am overlooking one other possiblity that was mentioned, the fact that there could be a genetic condition creating this situation. If you make sure to take care of the rest, food, vits and mins, grit, etc and the condition persists, then you may want to eliminate this pair from your breeding program. It could be something then that would come back to haunt you later.
Gregg.
Last Edited by on Mar 12, 2007 5:39 AM
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nicksiders
1463 posts
Mar 12, 2007
5:39 AM
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Trev,
I have never seen anything like this, but I would have to say there is a genetic situation here. If they feather out okay and perform to your standards I don't know how concerned I would be. If it where me I would change the pairing.....but, that is just me and my opinion.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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J_Star
813 posts
Mar 12, 2007
7:45 AM
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When the birds are inbred too close, this is one of the problems you will get. It is called 'Poor feathering'. Please read the article that I wrote 'Avoiding the Ills of Inbreedering Rollers', it might help. You will have problem with those youngster as they grow up. Their feathers will be very weak and break easily. Thanks.
Jay
Last Edited by on Mar 12, 2007 7:46 AM
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motherlodelofts
1552 posts
Mar 12, 2007
8:04 AM
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hmmmm,
As far as breeding to close , that would only bring it out because something is carrying the fault , and is certainly not what I would want buried in the loft , if that is what it is.
I have seen birds that are missing something in thier diet eat the small quills off of other birds , I saw it in a guys kitbox one time , this would almost be what I would suspect first .
Scott
Last Edited by on Mar 12, 2007 8:08 AM
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Alohazona
253 posts
Mar 12, 2007
10:02 AM
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How closely related are those breeders? That is a very consistant loss of feathering of both birds.The body size looks good,but I think Jay is on to something.Of course they will be behind in their training with feather problems like that.Thanks for the pictures,its worth a thousand words...Aloha,Todd
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Ballrollers
716 posts
Mar 12, 2007
11:08 AM
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Trev,
I'd say you're dealing with an undesireable recessive trait that has popped up. You may have just been unlucky and paired two birds that have it, or it may be in the entire family...tuff call on your part, now, my friend. I'd say it is definitely time for an outcross at the least...new breeders are probably the best solution...Good luck, man.
YITS,
Cliff
Last Edited by on Mar 12, 2007 11:12 AM
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motherlodelofts
1553 posts
Mar 12, 2007
12:25 PM
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I don't think that is a fault that I would want buried into my birds by covering it up with an outcross, if it is a genetic.
If it is genetic it would be something that I would want to find the source on and eliminate , if they are inbreed the inbreeding just brought to the surface what was already there.
Scott
Last Edited by on Mar 12, 2007 12:27 PM
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spinner jim
59 posts
Mar 12, 2007
12:34 PM
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Trevsta,sorry about your problem it looks like hereditory/genetic from where i am, no damage to skin area so its not mite or other birds pecking them,i dont think these youngsters will get the feathering back either, jim uk.
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W@yne
302 posts
Mar 12, 2007
12:50 PM
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Spinner Jim
Trevstar says this problem sorts its self out has the birds matures, I think this is genetic not food related so we will have to disagree to agree. Trevstar the thing to do is to put 2 eggs under that pr from another pr that dont give you problems if the young get the same problems then its the pr feeding it. If the young turn out ok then its genetic,
Regards
W@YNE UK
Last Edited by on Mar 12, 2007 12:57 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1259 posts
Mar 12, 2007
1:08 PM
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That is a good idea Wayne.
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trevsta65
83 posts
Mar 12, 2007
4:33 PM
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thanks for advice guys i will let them go another round and see what happens like i said this isnt happening all the time. plus they are due for a rest anyway.cheers trev
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CSRA
26 posts
Mar 12, 2007
4:33 PM
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I had a friend who had that problem an he could not figure it out so one day he monitered the pair and found out that the pair were plucking the feathers off of their young but eventually they would grow and be okay
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spinner jim
61 posts
Mar 12, 2007
5:06 PM
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Wayne my friend,there is no damage to the base of the feathers so its not plucking by other birds and no skin damage due to mite,the skin is unblemished so its hereditory i would do the same as you suggested put eggs under from unrelated pair and see what happens,just my oppinion but i still love you WAYNE lol,jim uk.
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Electric-man
162 posts
Mar 12, 2007
6:22 PM
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If you find out the problem let me know! My head is starting to look the same way! Can't figure it out!
Val
Last Edited by on Mar 12, 2007 6:23 PM
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W@yne
303 posts
Mar 12, 2007
11:09 PM
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Jim .
Lol thanks love you to mate.
regards
W@yne uk
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Velo99
976 posts
Mar 13, 2007
4:52 AM
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I had a pair last season that preened the feathers off the head of a chick. They grew in after I weaned him.
kinda weird huh
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V99
Flippin`The Bird!
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3757
121 posts
Mar 13, 2007
6:25 AM
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Trevor - I believe that it is genetic and I would not waste time figuring out the issue. You should cull the pair. If you have not had this problem occur in your other birds just cull the pair.
Last Edited by on Apr 08, 2008 9:42 PM
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CSRA
29 posts
Mar 13, 2007
7:55 AM
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spinner jim sorry it is true buddy they were plucking them not damaging the the skin true story buddy
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trevsta65
127 posts
May 19, 2007
10:03 PM
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remember these
Last Edited by on May 19, 2007 10:03 PM
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trevsta65
128 posts
May 19, 2007
10:04 PM
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these
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trevsta65
129 posts
May 19, 2007
10:05 PM
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they look a bit better now if i do say so.the bottom one got hit by the falcon this morning just above the leg for those with a keen eye nothing to serious tho.cheers trev
Last Edited by on May 19, 2007 10:08 PM
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W@yne
429 posts
May 20, 2007
12:24 AM
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They have turned out to be nice birds Trev.
W@yne uk
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Velo99
1099 posts
May 20, 2007
7:12 AM
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I still say the parents are over preening them.
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V99
Flippin`The Bird!
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nicksiders
1698 posts
May 20, 2007
10:22 AM
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Well Trev, I am glad you didn't cull them..........maybe. If you end up stocking them and they produce even a larger problem with the feathering............well.
Lots of "if's".
Birds look great. I noticed all of those "V" perches; are you expanding? The mounting clips are interesting.....how do they work?
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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