Missouri-Flyer
369 posts
Mar 19, 2007
2:05 PM
|
Of those of you that have flown comp. for several years, how many of you are close to having enough points to become a Master Flyer, and how far away are you....signed Curious George'..hehe
----------
Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
Last Edited by on Mar 19, 2007 2:06 PM
|
MCCORMICKLOFTS
1269 posts
Mar 19, 2007
3:17 PM
|
I'm not even close, nor will ever be.
|
REEDM
12 posts
Mar 19, 2007
3:33 PM
|
I flew my first competition kit in the WC of 2004. Got the birds in Oct 2003 and flew their offspring in the WC. I knew that I did not have a chance but wanted to support the fly. Later that same year I was 2nd place in the 11 bird fly and earned 30 points. I learned a lot that year and am learning more every year. I think I have 60 points total so far so in about 35 years I should make it to Master Flyer. LOL
----------
Anyone can fly a good kit of rollers by accident,
great rollermen can fly a good kit on fly day.
Mitch
|
George Ruiz
208 posts
Mar 19, 2007
3:39 PM
|
The rules were changed a few years back, there was a time when a person could get master Flyer points by winning thier club's fly champoinship or finishing second or third.
The rules were changed to make it harder to attain master flyer .
I personaly think that all points earned in fly's other than W/C and F/F should not be counted.
Thus making it even for all N.B.R.C. members.
it is almost impossible to attain Master flyer under the current rules.
Most on the Master Flyer list attained most of their points in club fly's and not just W/C F/F fly's some even flew in two local clubs and recieved double the points for the same fly,s in different Clubs
George
Last Edited by on Mar 19, 2007 3:41 PM
|
motherlodelofts
1600 posts
Mar 19, 2007
3:50 PM
|
I'm not sure about most George , but certaily some , I might have squeezed in , or at the very least it would have put me real real close if I used my club points prior to the dead line but opted not to do so , now I am very glad for that decision.
I'm with you , it was a good call to put a stop to it, as it was certainly being abused by some.
Scott
|
Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1101 posts
Mar 20, 2007
5:00 AM
|
They tell me I have got 130 points in the past 2 years.I figure if I ever did reach Master Flyer I would be in my 80's.So not much hope for me.LOL. David
|
Velo99
992 posts
Mar 20, 2007
5:13 AM
|
Dave
I have like 15 for qualifying last WC. We can accept from the nursing home together. lol
7 & counting! Get my hat wrapped up Tony!
----------
V99
Flippin`The Bird!
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
Last Edited by on Mar 20, 2007 5:15 AM
|
Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1234 posts
Mar 20, 2007
6:01 AM
|
LOL, okay, got a special hat with some nice markings on it. I let 903 use it as a perch, should be some nice solid marks with white caps on top! Truly an original! You'll be the talk of your local club flys! LOL
----------
FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
|
luis
235 posts
Mar 20, 2007
9:21 AM
|
Can anyone explain how points are awarded so you can attain Master Flyer status.Just curious.I just started as you all know so probably- No Chance in Hell- i'll ever get this recognition!
|
Missouri-Flyer
381 posts
Mar 20, 2007
9:29 AM
|
Hey Luis,
Lets see...your other post stated you are 37 years young, have no points as of yet, and hope to start flying comp. soon....Hmmm, sounds like your in the same boat as myself, but a year older than me, so to put this into perspective, NOPE, we have no way in hell to be a Master Flyer...LOL...Unless.....................We live to be a ripe old age of lets say 85, fly every available comp that awards points towards it, and then hope like hell our birds do GREAT!....
----------
Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
|
JMHD
165 posts
Mar 20, 2007
9:45 AM
|
George your right they use to earn points by winning their club fly and remember some of those guys use to fly with 2 clubs acumalating more points that way. The change was probably changed for that reason. John M.Loft(HDRC)So,Cal.
|
Mongrel Lofts
285 posts
Mar 20, 2007
9:47 AM
|
Hi Jerry,
I have my master flyer award.. All my points come from the major flys WC and FF.. I can tell you this, it doesn't take much to get your MF if you fly all the Major flys. I honestly think even flying in the major flys they have set the points to low. If you fly all three flys, and I did and do. That being the FF 11 and 20 bird fly and the WC you have 6 chances a year to make MF points.. If you place high in the prelims in your region in all 3 flys you get points.. If you place high in the finals in all 3 flys you could be looking at 200 pts or better in one season.. If you really want to earn your MF award before you can't remember you did..LOL Fly all three flys every year and work really hard at only keeping and flying the best rollers you can obtain. Don't look at pretty and don't mess with birds bred for any other reason than what they can do in the air. If a guy is breeding for yellow bald heads that roll, he isn't breeding for the best rollers. He has taken his eye off the ball. Personally, I think they should have set the points a little higher and they should have never let club flys and state flys count in the MF. HUGE MISTAKE!!! I also think they should have lowered the points awarded in the 11 bird fly.. You get the same points for MF in the 11 bird fly, and the competition is just not as tuff. Just my opinion. KGB
Last Edited by on Mar 20, 2007 9:50 AM
|
Missouri-Flyer
382 posts
Mar 20, 2007
10:04 AM
|
Excellent wording Kenny, and thanks!
I will be flying this year unless I am in my grave! I will have this years birds to fly, but at this point, I am gonna fly no matter what....I agree with ya about no points should have been awarded in club flys, as I think Scott mentioned the same thing..Just to easy that way, and to many chances to do something the wrong way...Again, Thanks
----------
Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
|
motherlodelofts
1610 posts
Mar 20, 2007
10:22 AM
|
You guys most certainly can get there , Kenny spelled it out, he also hit on one loophole that needs to be shut, and that is the 11 bird fly M/F points for the finals.
In the finals points are awarded for the top 10, the 11 bird finals end up with 15-16 flers where the 20 bird has 30 or more , and yet the points awarded are the same.
On top of it many regions don't fly the 11 as it is kind of an odd ball fly and they have a hard enough time scraping up enough kits for a qaulifier, so the whole thing is thrown off kilter.
Scott
|
MILO
256 posts
Mar 20, 2007
10:27 AM
|
I am nowhere near it... I have been back in competition for a couple years now and haven't scored well at all. BUT, competing with these rollers is like fishing: You can't catch them without throwing a line in the water...LOL As Kenny has mentioned above, it is not out of reach for someone with a little dedication, luck, and a few good scoring years. A superstar kit could wind up puting you in the running. The points can come fast...so getting involved is the first step. Isn't that the fun part? LOL I have really enjoyed competing, mainly because it is in my nature. The MF award is really something to shoot for in my opinion. Just like the WC title makes guys step up their programs, the MF award brings this to new levels. One of the things that has really motivated me the last few years is a couple flyers in my region. It is not all that competitive, mainly because of the number of flyers here, but I do have one guy that drives me to win. He is a Master Flyer, Fall Fly winner, Hall of famer, and a WC Winner. He needs no introduction... Region 9C gets one qualifier, so it's do or die. For me, winning the top spot in 9C means a lot to me. It hasn't been an easy road, and certainly not a boring one. I had a nice conversation with him the other day and told him he couldn't retire from competition because that is what I look forward to most about rollers these days. LOL So in a way, he feels me coming after him, and that really generates excitement in our area. The year before last, the area was up for grabs, turned into a battle, and was the best time we had in this area in years. So to just lay down and roll over because the MF goals seem lofty is not in my nature. I recommend everyone go for it, no matter what the situation, or the road to get there. JMO.
c
|
Missouri-Flyer
383 posts
Mar 20, 2007
10:28 AM
|
Scott,
Due to the other topic of 20 versus 11 bird kits, I have hammered my brain with reading everything I can get my hands on about the subject, as well as who flys what as far as 11 versus 20 goes. I would like to try my hand at the 11 bird as well, BUT...without any of the same birds that will be used in the 20..As was stated, I think the point system should be lowered for the 11 bird, due to the lesser amount of flyers, less birds used to score, and so on..But, with it being the way it is currently, that will just put me closer to Master Flyer...Hell, I may even get there by the young age of 80 now flying both..LOL
Lord help me, I'm gonna need it this year!!!!..LOL
----------
Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
|
motherlodelofts
1611 posts
Mar 20, 2007
10:55 AM
|
Jerry , I can tell you with confidence that nothing has or will change , and that you will be able to use the same birds for the 11 and 20 as they are seperate fly's.
But you won't be able if flying two elevens or two 20 s.
What is debated here is totaly meaningless and does not play in what so ever in either the master flyer points or the rules being discussed , this is just a place to discuss what is on our minds and nothing else.
Scott
|
Missouri-Flyer
384 posts
Mar 20, 2007
10:59 AM
|
Scott,
I am gonna be playing Russian Roulette just to try and get enough birds to fly 1 kit, let alone have to worry about more than that!..LOL
But, being first time Comp. flyer, I will be in it hell or high water..Not that I expect anything good, but want the first time to be done and over with so I can get a feel.
----------
Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
|
Velo99
993 posts
Mar 20, 2007
12:27 PM
|
Jerry,
It`ll take a couple of days after it is over to decide whether you had a good time and all. I was a nervous wreck my first time. I threw up as quietly as I could before I flew because the judge was staying with us and I didn`t want him to know I was as nervous as I have ever been.
After it was all said and done it was a really fun time.
6
----------
V99
Flippin`The Bird!
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
Last Edited by on Mar 20, 2007 12:36 PM
|
MCCORMICKLOFTS
1273 posts
Mar 20, 2007
1:56 PM
|
KGB, I think your math is wrong...lol
You don't have six chances, you have four....two in the fall and two in the spring.
|
Velo99
996 posts
Mar 20, 2007
2:08 PM
|
Scott
If you fly the 11 too, it gives you two more shots.
3
----------
V99
Flippin`The Bird!
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
Last Edited by on Mar 20, 2007 2:09 PM
|
motherlodelofts
1612 posts
Mar 20, 2007
2:44 PM
|
Brian , actualy it is 8 , if both kit qaulify, both kits can ne flown in the finals.
Scott
|
Missouri-Flyer
387 posts
Mar 20, 2007
4:58 PM
|
LMAO,
I am cunfused..Ok, so if you fly your 20 and 11 bird kits, qualify with both teams, then you have 8 chances to score points towards M/F if what?
----------
Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
|
dave
299 posts
Mar 20, 2007
5:36 PM
|
My good friend and mentor, Joe Emberton, is probably the fastest to get to MF without using club flies. All his points are from the major flies. I hope to accumulate points as fast as him as I got pretty lucky last year in the WC and FF.
|
Ballrollers
739 posts
Mar 20, 2007
5:53 PM
|
Geesh, this one is about out of reach for me for a long time, I'm afraid, guys. With the likes of Joe Bob Stuka, Clay Hoyle, and Jay Yandle in my region, guys who have won the World Cup, the 20-bird National Championship and the 11-bird National Championship, it's gonna take awhile. These are guys who have a dozen pairs (plus fosters) crankin' out quality spinners in good numbers. So how do I feel with a only a few pair doin' that?! LOL! Acutally, it feels great! I wouldn't change it for anything...couldn't ask for a better bunch of guys to fly with. They are all generous with their birds and their advice, and, Hey! I placed fourth right behind the three of them last fall! LOL!
YITS,
Cliff
Last Edited by on Mar 20, 2007 6:00 PM
|
motherlodelofts
1614 posts
Mar 20, 2007
6:08 PM
|
Jerry , in both flys , you can fly two kits, that is four if they qaulify , now if you can put those 2 in the top ten of the Fall fly, and two in the top twenty of the W/C finals thats 8 , sure it is a stretch LOL but it can be done.
Most give up a slot to someone else though if they have two kits qaulify , unless one is in the 20 and one is in the 11.
you guys don't think that there wasn't a time that I wasn't looking at it from your shoes ?
I figure by the time that I'm there it will have taken between 12 and 15 years.
If you look at the stats though many drop by the time they get there.
Scott
|
luis
236 posts
Mar 20, 2007
7:05 PM
|
Well Jerry,I guess it could be done!Honestly i'm still racking my brain trying to figure out what makes a great kit !!I have a lot to learn but that's half the fun.Good luck to you in comp.I hope you're pleasantly surprised.I don't think i will be competing this year as it is my 1st(probably just my local club).All my birds are way to young and as i said before i've yet to figure out what makes a champion kit!
Last Edited by on Mar 20, 2007 7:07 PM
|