parlorfancier916
273 posts
Mar 23, 2007
7:58 PM
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it's strange how this bird has become a chronic bumper, my brother loaned it to one of his friends 3-4 years ago, comes in at 1 month of flight, rolldowns the first 2 months and then one day learns how to control, well after reflying the bird for a month now it was spinning good, still the same great 20 footer. Then this morning flying at an extreme height at the point where you only saw a dot it came all the way down, just rolling and it hit the neighbors roof(luckily it survived), I have been only feeding my birds wheat for the past 2 months so it's strange how this bird rolldowned, plus it had been flown for 3-4 years by my friend and never had any rolldown problems, is there something wrong with this bird or is it having to rolldown the first month of flying in it's life the reason?
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W@yne
323 posts
Mar 24, 2007
1:15 AM
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Parlor
If this bird rolled down from a dot then its lacking control and no use in the stock loft a cull in my hands. Also is your friend telling you the real truth over them 3 to 4 years of fying that bird? I can smell a rat Lol
regards
W@yne uk
Last Edited by on Mar 24, 2007 3:09 AM
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DeepSpinLofts
10 posts
Mar 24, 2007
4:22 AM
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I have a bird that I bred just like that. It's a 1yr old saddle cock out of Plona family and rolls (over 100 ft) until it crashes. So far the cock has been lucky to hit grass and brush through trees.
As a matter of fact, I flew the bird about 2 weeks ago and it rolled down into my front lawn and I tried to catch it.
I wouldn't breed from birds like that. The ro-gene is so potent that all you will end up with eventually is more of the same.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1121 posts
Mar 24, 2007
4:38 AM
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Parlor.Actually I think that you only feeding wheat for a prolonged time has weakened the roller to the point that it don't have the strength to pull out of the roll.And wheat only is why it was only a dot in the sky.
Feed that bird some peas and I think you will see a big difference.You have to feed the birds a balanced diet so their health is at their best.
Not the rollers fault or a cull just the handlers fault.My opinion. David
Last Edited by on Mar 24, 2007 4:41 AM
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W@yne
324 posts
Mar 24, 2007
5:27 AM
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David
Food related incidents usually can be problems flying at low level or landing but not from a dot i have never experienced that. If the bird was weak it wouldnt want to fly to that height or even at all. If i put my flyers on wheat alone for 2 months it wouldnt make my birds unsafe. THE BIRD IS A CULL AND ITS NO GOOD HIDING THE FACT.
JMHO
regrds
W@yne uk
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1122 posts
Mar 24, 2007
5:32 AM
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Wayne.If you want to keep culling them that is your choice.As you get older and learn more about the roller you will change your mind. David
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W@yne
325 posts
Mar 24, 2007
6:25 AM
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David
My friend you or no one can make a stable bird roll down from a dot height using diet alone thats what i am saying and i dont need to have had pigeons as long as you have had to realise that. I am not trying to be clever its reality
my opinion only
regards
W@yne uk
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nicksiders
1496 posts
Mar 24, 2007
10:49 AM
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I agree with both Wayne and David(LOL). Feed can severly influence your bird's performance simply by changing the health and fitness of the bird. I also understand that you have to do a lot to a stable bird before it beomes unstable. Even prolonged feeding of wheat will not make stable birds UN-stable......now prolonged feeding of ...say milo would be a different story.
My opinion.....I have the right to change my mind.
Slick Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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ROLLERMAN
94 posts
Mar 24, 2007
1:04 PM
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parlor says the bird was a roll down at 2 months old, 3 or 4 years later its a rolling down again, i would say there are 3 things to do with a 4 year old roller that is rolling down. and in this order, 1st id put him under ground . 2nd id fly him thill he puts himself under ground, and last id stock him and mate him with a homer lol. plus most of my bird when they rolldown from 40 ft and hit a house. id say 75% of the time i can walk over and pick it and put in the trash can. A DOT ???
JUST MY 2 CENTS
AL
Last Edited by on Mar 24, 2007 1:06 PM
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motherlodelofts
1627 posts
Mar 24, 2007
3:02 PM
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You are 100 0/0 correct Wayne , it is a cull , feed shouldn't roll down birds worth thier salt (although that one exposed itself early) , if anything it just exposes garbage.
This though reminds me of also of something that the top flyer in the world (Heine) told me last year.
He told me that he purposely tries to make them fall apart to see who has the heart and who doesn't.
It got me thinking that the stresses of the kitbox and stressing the birds that I do the same here without even thinking about it , the weak always expose themselfs.
We have to look at building stock that carries stability and that are full of qaulity roll , the last thing I want is this type of bird in my stock , and yes I will end up with such birds here and there, but never , ever do I make excuses for them , or any bird for that matter , they just aren't even worth messing with.
What I want are those heavy pounders that are there solid and like glue day in and day out year after year no matter what , I want hard corp troopers leading the way in stock and the kitbox, not weak , unstable culls , but hey , thats just me , I'm kinda funny that way.
Scott
Last Edited by on Mar 24, 2007 4:52 PM
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George Ruiz
221 posts
Mar 24, 2007
4:50 PM
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Scott there are family's of birds that must be kept fed or they will bump or roll down .
I would not call that a fualt nethier would I call a line of birds that have to be starved to keep low and frequent and roll or that produce a very low percentage of stock birds.
George
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motherlodelofts
1629 posts
Mar 24, 2007
4:54 PM
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George you can have them as they tend to fall apart sooner or later regardless, you can also have the stiffs that have to be tore down to nothing to roll also.
Scott
Last Edited by on Mar 24, 2007 8:01 PM
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Velo99
1005 posts
Mar 24, 2007
6:06 PM
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Scott,
Talking with Heine is an experience is it not? He told me the same thing. That got me to thinking about what I was breeding and what I was breeding to. Opened my eyes to why he did what he does.
He is a hard core individual.Very informative fellow just way hard core.
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Flippin`The Bird!
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motherlodelofts
1630 posts
Mar 24, 2007
7:59 PM
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Yea Kenny , I've had him here a couple of days all three times he has judged the W/C , plus shagged him through the region.
He looks at every little detail and everything has a purpose.
Scott
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parlorfancier916
277 posts
Mar 25, 2007
7:37 AM
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so it might be something with feed or he might be stressed out, well i'll just keep letting him out until he learns how to control the roll again or never comes back from rolling at an extreme height. As for the 3 to 4 years that my friend has had him, for the past 2 years that I went to my friends house to see it perform, it was a solid 20-30 footer.
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motherlodelofts
1634 posts
Mar 25, 2007
12:22 PM
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"was" is the key word here Parlor LOL
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1123 posts
Mar 25, 2007
3:02 PM
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Parlor.The first question on my mind would be what was my friend doing that I am doing different.If you watched this bird for 2 years and it never rolled down untill after you had it for 2 months then you can be sure it is the way you are feeding it.
You can believe and do what you want but I think if you feed the bird some good protein it will serve you well.David
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parlorfancier916
285 posts
Mar 31, 2007
10:31 AM
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can not feeding the bird corn be a factor to this?
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Hector Coya
143 posts
Mar 31, 2007
11:24 AM
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If my bird rolled down from a dot and survived,it wasnt rolling fast enough,
Hector Coya
Last Edited by on Mar 31, 2007 11:24 AM
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