George Ruiz
224 posts
Mar 24, 2007
4:58 PM
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what Family or Familys of birds have you flown and what were the results ?
george
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gotspin7
33 posts
Mar 24, 2007
6:56 PM
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Gutierrez, Lehmeyers, 272, Norwood.
Last Edited by on Mar 24, 2007 6:57 PM
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fhtfire
858 posts
Mar 24, 2007
9:52 PM
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I have flown Ruby Rollers, Mort Emami, Chuck Roe, Mason, Turner, Lavin and Crap..LOL
I currently fly Ruby Rollers, Mort Emami and Some Chuck Roe hear and there.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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tapp
224 posts
Mar 25, 2007
11:35 AM
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Weins Mee's, Hendersons. Latter on some campbells, I'll let you know what I have learned about them in a few years.
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Tapp
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Alohazona
255 posts
Mar 25, 2007
1:24 PM
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I fly primarily Hendersons.My Ruby line is comming on strong.Just starting with Rich Hayes line.My foundation line is Continentals,Hatcher-Hollingsworth,McVay-Stephens.All fly different,I don't cross one into the other in the breeder pens.....Aloha,Todd
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parlorfancier916
279 posts
Mar 25, 2007
1:29 PM
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SANCHEZ, MASON..... ROLLDOWNS MOSTLY
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Alohazona
256 posts
Mar 25, 2007
2:12 PM
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George,as far as results,my Hendersons show the best characteristics for competition.They are the tightest Kitting line of birds I have seen to date.They fly at a good height and without a doubt team workers.My biggest breaks come with the Hendersons,10 to 15 birds at a time,on good days,and 5 to 8 on average days.The biggest problems I have had is depth.Frequency,velocity,and quality is there.Last year I imported two pair from Dave,and a young cock for an older outstanding 98' hen,for the sole purpose of adding depth.So far in flying some of those young I have 3 that are extremly fast,I'm hoping there depth will increase as they mature and with flight time.Only time will tell,but I am hopeful.
My Rubys I got from Tony 3 years ago,are showing promise,the roll quality is out standing,the depth is there.They do not fly as long as the other strains I have.There are about 6 birds that are outstanding rollers and two are foundation quality.In the next two years, the Ruby kits,flown here should be nothing short of exceptional and a pleasure to watch.
Rich Hayes is a consistant High scoring competitor,and flys in a tough region.I have just started his line with one proven pair and a pair out of his "A" team.They are the first birds I check when I walk into my breeder pen.
Last but not least,My continentals.I have worked this line from so many directions,it finally paid off last year with 5 stockable cocks,that will be put on my best Continental hens.Quality of roll is liquid,2 to 3 a minute,20 to 40 foot range,near perfect feather quality and temperment,excellent homing ability.Flying height is a challenge at times.
I am taking this year off for breeding and traveling and hope return to the competions next yesr with a vengence,LOL....Aloha,Todd
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CooCoo
82 posts
Mar 25, 2007
4:11 PM
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I have only been at this for a year and have 3 family of birds.......Neibles.....Pensoms ,,,and Barrets.........I have found the Barrets are by far the best handling and kitting birds.
Dave
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1282 posts
Mar 25, 2007
6:28 PM
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Flown a bunch of different birds from different families. I only keep three families now and if I had to only pick one of them, it would be my Horner birds.
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J_Star
826 posts
Mar 25, 2007
6:47 PM
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I fly Horners also and some of Paul's birds which made up of Campble and Emammi. I don't mix the two families together.
Jay
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ICEMAN710
269 posts
Apr 22, 2008
2:09 AM
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saw this old post and thought it was interesting, would like to see some updates on everyone and their family(ies) or birds.
as for myself, im currently working with the Navarro Family which happen to be my focus and main family and have a couple of Higgins birds im working with as well. I like what I see coming out of both families. Both families are kept separate.
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Gary
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smoke747
843 posts
Apr 22, 2008
10:28 AM
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I've flown Rayvon's Lehmeyers which were across between Sam Gutierrez and Eddie scott's Lehmeyer pigeons, 1220, red headed hen fron Jerry Higgins and Kevin Adams, Norwood, and others I dont care to mention. my smoke birds stood the test of time.
smoke747
Keith London
ICRC
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quickspin
539 posts
Apr 22, 2008
10:30 AM
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Keith,
What was Smoke out of? Which strains?
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SALAS LOFT
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smoke747
845 posts
Apr 22, 2008
10:38 AM
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Old pensom(119)and fullhouseis how smoke's mother was made up. She was put on a Lavin cock and Smoke was made.
smoke747
Keith London
ICRC
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elopez
1097 posts
Apr 22, 2008
10:38 AM
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In the 90's I flew the following families: 1220, Lehmeyer, Fullhouse, and Red Headed hen. Got some nice birds out of these.
Now I have birds from London/Higgins/Johnny Smith and am waiting on a couple from Abel Ibarra that should be my last additions.
By the way Quick, I ended up going to Higgins house yesterday and picked up a 3/4 Sizzle Hen cock (1928x499).
Thanks for the bird Jerry. Thanks for letting me know that Jerry had one that might be available Johnny.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 10:39 AM
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silver tail
191 posts
Apr 22, 2008
10:41 AM
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Elopez I got my Eye on you glad we don't fly in the same club your loading up with both barells. lol
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quickspin
540 posts
Apr 22, 2008
10:45 AM
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I have flown too many strains and trying to find which one I still like. But it's hard to find one that has everything.
Navarro
HIggins
Reed
pensom 2564 from Frank Lavin
Norwood Skillsaw
1220
Smith 1375 Herb sparks
I like a couple as for the speed and depth is 1220. Frequency Higgins and Norwood, style Navarro, stamina Smith
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SALAS LOFT
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elopez
1098 posts
Apr 22, 2008
10:49 AM
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Silver, slide some of that knowledge or secrets and then I'll be okay, for now I think I just have some good birds but without a good trainer they can only do so much. That’s why I've been hanging around and talking to the best... Keith London, Abel Ibarra, Johnny Smith, Jerry Higgins, Rayvon Hall, Darik McGhee, Tim Decker, Brian McCormick and of course everyone here on Roller Pigeon. Need to absorb as much info to gain as much knowledge as possible if I plan to be a competitor and good trainer in this great sport….
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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silver tail
194 posts
Apr 22, 2008
10:56 AM
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You know your right you could never get to much info from those guys with time on there side. But always remember every one has something to say so separate the good from the bad take alittle from each and you will make your own. Keep an open mind and never close your eyes when you fly and you will see what you need to do.
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elopez
1099 posts
Apr 22, 2008
11:00 AM
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That's exactly what I'm doing... Hopefully the bops leave me alone so I can see if I'm progressing.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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silver tail
196 posts
Apr 22, 2008
11:02 AM
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You'll be fine your short term plan may be extended but you'll see your on the right track just keep after your dreams and goals. Again Glad I don't fly against you Hactor,Spanky look out hear he comes LOL :-)
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155
351 posts
Apr 22, 2008
11:02 AM
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Bob scott....
manuel moreno
higgins......
mason........
now i'm flying only higgins,mason and 4 pairs of manuel's line........
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elopez
1101 posts
Apr 22, 2008
11:35 AM
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Don't get them started Silver. Spanky, Hector and Dale had a better fly then me on our first fly. I have to get my young team going to get some birds in my kit. Only have 14 left overs from last year. Have to add some young to be able to fly. So I have a tough road to get me some good numbers.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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silver tail
198 posts
Apr 22, 2008
11:51 AM
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Hey Elopez was Dale a member of CRS at one time?
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luis
824 posts
Apr 22, 2008
11:55 AM
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In my 2 years..LOL..,i have flown Bob Scott birds and Higgins.I love the speed,depth,style,and homing ability in some of my Scott stuff.I hate their lack of frequency, and their unending desire to fly in the stratosphere for hours on end!The Hiigins birds are well rounded, but mine seem to lack the style i prefer.
Efren,your biggest hurdle is and will be BOPs.Quality stock..you have,experience..you'll gain.Now keeping them alive or free of bad habits due to BOPs...THAT'S THE HARD PART!!Trust me i know.
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 12:12 PM
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maxspin
217 posts
Apr 22, 2008
12:20 PM
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The family I raise is called falcon food.
Keith Maxwell
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quickspin
542 posts
Apr 22, 2008
12:24 PM
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That is very true, and some good food. As they only last a couple of seconds and they are gone.
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SALAS LOFT
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gabe454
752 posts
Apr 22, 2008
1:22 PM
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I fly all families together no problem.
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
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JMUrbon
425 posts
Apr 22, 2008
3:29 PM
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I started off back in the early 80's with birds from Chan Grover but they were more of the individual performance type birds. In 1988 I changed over to birds from Paul Bradford and one Plona Hen and that is what I have built my current family from. I have also swapped birds back and fourth with Dave Henderson for many years due to the close relations of the two families. Joe Urbon
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J.M.Urbon Lofts
A Proven Family of Spinners
http://www.freewebs.com/jmurbonlofts/
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 3:35 PM
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1528 posts
Apr 22, 2008
5:53 PM
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Bill Roy ( missouri) Jaconettes
Jim sherwood ( OHIO) masons
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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Santandercol
2353 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:19 PM
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I have Monty Neible strain(Pensom based) and one hen with 1/4 Bill Barrett X with Monty birds.I like the pure Monty's best.They are more stable.They come into the roll later than the ones with Barrett blood but I think that is better if you can stand the wait it is worth it.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 8:19 PM
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spanky
436 posts
Apr 22, 2008
9:04 PM
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I HAD SO MANY DIFFERENT FAMILY'S BUT DID NOT WORK FOR ME. NOW I'M GOING STRONG WITH THE JOHNNY SMITH AND JERRY HIGGENS STUFF. AND I LOVE IT!!!!!!
SPANKY
SGVS
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Santandercol
2358 posts
Apr 22, 2008
9:13 PM
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Right on Spanky!!Stay outta the Hoose Cow.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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spanky
438 posts
Apr 22, 2008
9:17 PM
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THANX KEL
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SPANKY
SGVS
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 9:18 PM
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centralvalleylofts
112 posts
Apr 22, 2008
9:37 PM
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As for me i have flown juan naverros old school before he went to college, vic gutierrez,eddie scott,sam guterrez from lynwood back in the 80's.jack myers famose pepper head line and mottles which all go back to jerry lynns famose 26 line.scott cambells,ken billings birds.and currently working with some of the most awlsome birds of all time they go back to stuart forthsyth.this birds have it all type, speed,and quality hope to someday soon place them in competion. but for now just breeding for stock due to how rare they are now i only have 6 pure pairs that thanks to jack myers who aquired them and kept them as pure as stuart would have. this are the birds that tim decker did not take thank god. because would had never seen this birds in their purest form.
also have a few joe embertons. i also like scotts birds very much ccrc 448 02, was the best of the best but swith lately.
good luck to all of you in you in your endevour in the knowledge for the best and gratest birds possible.
central
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centralvalleylofts
118 posts
Sep 18, 2009
9:23 PM
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would like to bring this post back since last year. and get it started againg.
central
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winwardrollers
313 posts
Sep 18, 2009
9:58 PM
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90%..Plona/Smith are my base.. all around best birds.
Have one pair of Norm Reed that I am still breeding..great speed and depth ..dislike homingablity and kitting.
A bird or two that would be.. Harris(McCully)/514(Borges) still around.
These three groups would be.. my favorite..have been around and seen many other families...
bwinward
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donnie james
745 posts
Sep 18, 2009
10:11 PM
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i flown tom monson, joe roe, carl hardesty jay starley ..................donny james
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Ty Coleman
737 posts
Sep 19, 2009
4:25 AM
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I flew several different mixed family's of Pensoms and Jacs and a few undetermined family's until I bought a bird that was bred by Toby Brady of the CCPRC that was a real spinner. I have since gotten birds from Cliff Ball, Jay Yandle,Don Greene, and James Turner to start my own family. The Carolina birds from these flyers are the best that I have seen.I also have a handfull of birds from Danny Courtny and a couple from Dan Kracker that are also good birds I just did not have enough of them to try and build a family out of.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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3757
1291 posts
Sep 19, 2009
8:09 AM
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It must be noted and understood that flying one or two birds or pairs from an individual is not "flying the family" and does not represent much. That is like saying I met two or three people from the US and they were no good! That is so skewed it is not even funny. Now, if he or she gave you a kit that represented that family of pigeons and you flew them for a year or so you could make a judgement.
Last Edited by on Sep 19, 2009 8:13 AM
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gotspin7
2540 posts
Sep 19, 2009
9:28 AM
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It must be noted and understood that flying one or two birds or pairs from an individual is not "flying the family" and does not represent much. That is like saying I met two or three people from the US and they were no good! That is so skewed it is not even funny. Now, if he or she gave you a kit that represented that family of pigeons and you flew them for a year or so you could make a judgement.
The ones I had I had more than just a kit for a couple of years. I had one that I had a few pairs out of that I not speak of because, I also believe what you just wrote.
I think another thing that gets skewed all the time is how people say they have such and such birds and they did not get them directly from the person. As an example the Norwood family I worked with and the 272 line. Just trying to help with information here fellas and Good luck in your quest.
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Sal Ortiz
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3757
1292 posts
Sep 19, 2009
10:26 AM
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Sal - You are so correct unless the birds they received were bred by that particular individual. That is good that you stated you had a particular kit for a couple of years as that is an evaluation but it still may not be of the entire family as I would not know what that individual had or told you regarding if that kit represented what he or she had. I know many who claim they have flown this family or that family and only flew a few birds for 4-6 months. That is not an evaluation of a family as you know that is a big difference. It would be if I received a few birds from you and made a conclusion of your strain based on that for example. That is not an evaluation.
I have a write-up regarding 272 as most do not know that Herb commenced this line by breeding this cock on several of his hens that were bred by Bill Pensom. The progeny Herb started calling them 272. Anyone who has this bloodline had to get them from him and very few individual received birds from him. Some who did receive the birds crossed them and they still call them 272. You probably know guys who have a bird from someone and cross it but still call it so and so's line. What a crock. I hope all is well.
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Ty Coleman
740 posts
Sep 19, 2009
11:03 AM
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Doc, I could be wrong but it seems you were disecting my post. If you will notice I used the word "mixed" when describing the Pensom and Jac birds, and I also noted only having a few of the other family. I lost the origonal Kracker birds , 1 to a snake and the other to sickness and only have the offspring which represent the origonal breeders well. I also did not disclose the breeder that I got the birds from[ Pensom or Jacs ] or down the birds in my post.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
Last Edited by on Sep 19, 2009 11:05 AM
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3757
1293 posts
Sep 19, 2009
11:56 AM
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Ty - You are incorrect as I was responding to Sal, as he already knows, those individuals who claim 272 line and the birds are all crossed (with Murtis and other stuff and are not really that line as the originator of that line classified them). That is all I am stating. I think Sal, Sal correct me if I am wrong, is saying that the birds he may have flown may not have been a true representation of that line as claimed.
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PAUL R.
88 posts
Sep 19, 2009
3:39 PM
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I began to fly rollers back in 2000. With the help of Richard Rangel, Robert Parker, Ray Fischer and Randy Gibson. I now fly my own family of birds. Currently Fly with I.C.R.C Paul Ramirez
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gotspin7
2542 posts
Sep 19, 2009
4:15 PM
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Laron, What I was stating was that the person I got them from did not have a true representation of the breed. They were just bred for the pretty pedigrees and nothing more. The worst part is that they will use someone else' name behind them and I think sometimes it is done to give those birds some credibility that they do not earned themselves or deserve for that matter. As far as the other (the crosses), I will be honest with you, I do not have the history on it to confirm or deny.
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Sal Ortiz
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3757
1294 posts
Sep 19, 2009
4:17 PM
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Sal - I think we are in agreement. They have to be air tested.
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Ty Coleman
741 posts
Sep 19, 2009
8:59 PM
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My apology Doc.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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gotspin7
2543 posts
Sep 20, 2009
6:57 AM
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Doc, you are right do about the Murtis..lol... I just caught it, sometimes I am just a dumb arse...lol.. I was told that Hlass was behind the whole line do?
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Sal Ortiz
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3757
1295 posts
Sep 20, 2009
7:32 AM
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Sal - I know you are a thinker and I knew you were going see my clues. I know one fancier who claims he has Sparkes stock in one breath and in the other breath he talks caca about the man. I posed a question to him and ask, "have you ever spoken to him, met him or visited him?" He said no. But so and so told me. I said, so and so according to my friend, records I have from Don Hearn his own mouth on a tape I have stated he stole birds from the guy, lied and said they were died. Now, you are going to believe someone like that? You see a true fancier is not going to lie about a guy they do not know anything about. Anyway, I am going to long. Sal - Please tell the guys that it has been so hot here but I still would like to ship to the contest as soon as it cools down?
Ty - No problem my friend. I hope all is well.
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