CSRA
49 posts
Mar 25, 2007
7:30 AM
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How many stocks birds thats in your loft have been flown versus stock birds not flown whats your percentage? Stock birds producing that have been flown versus stock birds not flown which ones are the best producers flown or not flown?
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motherlodelofts
1633 posts
Mar 25, 2007
9:19 AM
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Very few in stock were unflown , and I knew exactly the type of birds that the parents produce and in most cases they also have siblings in stock that were flown hard , and knowing the in's an outs of my birds makes a huge difference.
To be honest is bothers me to do it, and when I do it is due to one of the parents is getting goofy as far breeding due to age , but nor do I just do it out of just anything that pops up out of them,they gotta have that look.
For me , birds flown hard give me a window to see what they are , and that shows you how to best pair them to some degree,which is critical.
Do they allways pan out ? no, but they are far more likely to thats for sure.
I have allways found that those that make a habit of useing unprooven birds also tend to have to breed many as they run much more on hit and miss.
Scott
Last Edited by on Mar 25, 2007 9:22 AM
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fhtfire
861 posts
Mar 25, 2007
9:34 AM
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In my loft the birds that I actually flew out is about 80%...the other birds were proven breeders...except a pair of Ruby Rollers that I just stocked unflown and they produced.
I am getting about the same % across the board with my breeders...some pairs are very high % of good birds..some are the Norm. As for pairs producing Stockable birds...it is hit and miss..but 2 pairs have the most offspring in the stock loft....All my stock birds in my loft at this time..have the potential to produce stockable birds...but between hawks and bad lucks...some of the pairs stockable birds are in pigeon heaven..LOL
rock and ROLL
Paul
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MILO
262 posts
Mar 25, 2007
10:06 AM
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In perfect world I could probably get 3. I seem to be averaging 1 or 2 if I'm lucky. It isn't the days of past where you could fly freely any time of the year. Predators are ruining the hobby in my opinion. I find myself making questionable calls, where if I didn't have losses that I do I would NEVER make. I used to be able to fly birds into their 3rd and 4th years. When I get one going into it's second year, and it is flat out ripping, I get itchy...LOL I have recently lost SO MANY good ones before I can put them away, I am losing a little ground in my opinion. There was a guy out here that had some birds right from Stan Plona, lived about 3 minutes from me, by a large forest and sustained HUGE losses every year. Some of you might remember him, his name was Frank Martin. He made worse and worse calls every year, and wound up with some really good OLD champ producers...LOL So he stocked a lot of what he shouldn't have. To make a long story short, in the final days he had rollers, he couldn't fly a kit of rollers that could stay together. They rolled nicely, and with speed, quality, depth and all that, BUT boy, did he have a mess of out birds. I hope I don't wind up like him...LOL Anyway, thought I would add to the string.
c
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gotspin7
36 posts
Mar 25, 2007
3:27 PM
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Steve what are your percentages I am LOOKING at a 50% flown and just call me lucky because still making some pretty good stock birds! I have a lot of 3/4 birds out of known producers!
Sal
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CSRA
50 posts
Mar 25, 2007
3:53 PM
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Sal my birds are made up off 7-9 birds proven producers i stock guite a few the past 4 years i would say 90% of my stock have not flown have been producing super rollers and spinners out the birds unflown they all have the type i like in a bird i would like to fly more but the predator will not let that happen so i have to save what i can i started with good stock so they produce what they are understand this if the type ain't right i will fly it until whatever Type is my key to success but after all that you know what i have lol
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J_Star
829 posts
Mar 25, 2007
7:02 PM
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All my breeders been flown for at least two years before stocked. I had birds after the first season to go stiff and some become bumpers. To make sure that what is in the stock loft have the complete package, I fly them for two seasons.
Jay
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CSRA
52 posts
Mar 25, 2007
7:14 PM
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J star where are you from?
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JMHD
174 posts
Mar 26, 2007
1:15 AM
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I have some that were not flown i try to flyout everything i can and i know that if you know your family of birds really good your odds are good Sal i think the 3/4 birds is an excellent way especially if you know the family some that i have stocked have been to replaced birds that are up there in age that are going out in fertility also if you fly competition in a club you are forced to fly them regardless your getting hit bad by preds and your losses are greater than someone not flying in a club cause you are forced to fly to get your birds preped for competition.In the club the last 5 years thats 9 flys a year total of 45 flys i havent missed any.
John M.Loft(HDRC)So,Cal.
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gotspin7
46 posts
Mar 26, 2007
4:59 AM
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John you must have that Iron Man trophy down on lock...lol
I have a question for all you guys that have answered this thread? what are you guys stocking? are they chosen for their type, spin,depth,frequency? what are the qualities you look for in a stock pigeon?
Last Edited by on Mar 26, 2007 4:32 PM
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J_Star
830 posts
Mar 26, 2007
5:15 AM
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I live 30 min. west of Cleveland, Ohio.
I stock my birds for all the above you mentioned. Some might not have all the traits that you are looking for, so you pair it with one that has it. For example: depth or frequency. But you can not substitute for quality spin, speed and control; those are a must to me.
Jay
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CSRA
57 posts
Mar 26, 2007
8:02 AM
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come on guys lets here what you are doing in your yards
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1283 posts
Mar 26, 2007
10:06 AM
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Every stock bird in my loft has been raised or flown from a squeaker by me with the exception of four birds. But two of those I saw in the air. I prefer to raise and fly my own birds that I want to stock. Seldom if ever do birds I try from someone else ever work out. It usually ends up money down the drain.
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CSRA
59 posts
Mar 26, 2007
11:33 AM
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thanks brian for your input
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Ballrollers
748 posts
Mar 26, 2007
3:46 PM
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All my stock birds have been flown out...either by me....or by competition men in whom I have the untmost confidence....
YITS,
Cliff
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