Mongrel Lofts
287 posts
Mar 29, 2007
9:12 AM
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This hen was really nice in the air. She rolled a good 25' fast and frequent. The red below is her grand mother. She is a 1996 hen that is still laying every 14 days or so. The old girl has bred many a fine spinner and nearly as many good stock birds.
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Last Edited by on Mar 29, 2007 9:45 AM
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Mongrel Lofts
288 posts
Mar 29, 2007
9:58 AM
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This is a new cock in the stock loft. Not the best picture, but a nice little cock bird,, The Patch Cock.
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spinner jim
64 posts
Mar 29, 2007
11:41 AM
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nice cock,the markings suggest some br magpie blood in him ,i have magpies in stock and they come with very attractive markings,it will be interesting to see the young from this cock when he breeds,jim uk.
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W@yne
328 posts
Mar 29, 2007
12:16 PM
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Spinner Jim.
I don't think Kennys birds have magpie related to them Lol. The markings in true birmingham rollers can be various throughout the pigeon. Ron Adams from birmingham experimented with magpies back in the 70s and 80s. Magpies do roll but usually on the very short side and very frequent. But occasionally i believe you do get the odd roll down. I have never seen magpies fly in reality Jim but would love to. Also i have a dvd that i can send you if you want it showing Ron Adams flying Magpie pigeons back in the 80s. email me Jim if you want a copy.
Regards
W@YNE UK
Last Edited by on Mar 29, 2007 12:47 PM
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nicksiders
1508 posts
Mar 29, 2007
12:33 PM
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LMAO.....I don't think KGB has any birds with "magpie" blood in them. I would bet they are very close to being pure Birminghams.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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Missouri-Flyer
414 posts
Mar 29, 2007
6:18 PM
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Magpie??HMMMM,
KGB, I thought I had more respect for you than to think you were crossing a Birmingham Roller into your Magpie's!...LOL
Nice looking birds...Love the pillow you supplied for the top bird incase he got tired of his photography shoot..LOL
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
Last Edited by on Mar 29, 2007 6:20 PM
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MILO
269 posts
Mar 29, 2007
7:00 PM
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Not my type of roller really. But thanks for posting. LOL Nice ones Kenny.
c
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sac_spinners
99 posts
Mar 29, 2007
7:46 PM
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Nice looking birds, i really like that black one looks likes a very strong bird
Chor
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Mongrel Lofts
289 posts
Mar 29, 2007
8:27 PM
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Hey Jerry,
LMAO, Magies, I don't think so!! LOL That little patch cock is not from my stock but from the Monty Nieble birds I got back in 2000 after Monty's death. The original pair has thrown 4 birds marked like this one. The other red check was a hen that Jay Starley picked from the air as a good one on a visit for the WC prelim a few years ago. If Mont had Magies in his birds, then I guess it could be. I truly doubt it.. KGB
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gotspin7
62 posts
Mar 30, 2007
4:57 AM
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nice ones!
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J_Star
836 posts
Mar 30, 2007
5:10 AM
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Kenny,
My understanding was that your family of rollers was developed long ago and that you are strict at keeping your roller family without any mix of other rollers from different breeders. What I am reading and gathering from your post is that you take good birds from good friends and breed them with your stock. Do you just breed best to best from different stock birds or you breed best to best from your own inbred family.
In the past we had a thread that was debated which way is the best way to breed; best to best or inbreeding/linebreeding of one’s own rollers. Just wondering…Thanks.
Jay
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JMHD
184 posts
Mar 30, 2007
10:07 AM
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Nice looking birds KGB John M.Loft(HDRC)So,Cal.
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MILO
271 posts
Mar 30, 2007
11:21 AM
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So if 583 is such a prolific layer, how does one go about aquiring a pair of birds off her? LOL Out of curiosity Kenny, who do you have her on right now?
c
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Mongrel Lofts
290 posts
Mar 30, 2007
11:01 PM
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Jay,
No, I keep my main family tight.. I have a small line of Monty Nieble birds that I breed in a total separate loft. I do and have tried crosses, but never in my main loft of breeders. Always on the side in an individual. The Monty birds do make some nice rollers when crossed on my own birds, but they are just battle crosses. If I did anything with them, it would be start a whole new family, but I have not reason to pursue this. Maybe when I retire and all I have to do is play roller. My pure family will remain pure as long as I own them,, There is no replacing good seed stock, nothing like a family of rollers that have been kept in a family, You can always out cross and cross families'. You cannot always find birds you can line and inbreed and hold good. Seed stock means a tight family that can handle being tightly bred. Any bird that can be inbred and make good rollers, can always be out crossed to make good rollers, Not true the other way around. Most birds have to be continually out crossed and corrective bred. The gene pool in most rollers are so messed up from corrective breeding, and poor breeding choices, that the first steps of inbreeding uncovers so much crap, the fancier blames inbreeding and starts the vicious circle of chasing crossing to keep things covered up. Probably didn't answer you question, but oh well. LOL KGB
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Steve_uk
122 posts
Mar 30, 2007
11:54 PM
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wwhwhahahahhhahaha priceless jim brilliant!
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spinner jim
67 posts
Mar 31, 2007
3:30 AM
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Wayne, the magpies usually come in broken colours,full headed but white fronted and mags have been exported to the states thats why i thought that this bird resembled mag blood lines,hows steve and his fantails lol.jim.
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Steve_uk
123 posts
Mar 31, 2007
7:12 AM
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The fantails are doing great jim lmao.
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Flyin Hawaiian
107 posts
Mar 31, 2007
1:54 PM
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Hey bro,
Is the the black that was in the kit ripping when I was thier in the fall?? If it is man was she a good one. I like the mother as well good solid stock. I got a nice reccessive Red C/T P/E out of 572 and 29. Looks to have the juice we'll see with fly time and age.
Ivan
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Gregg
46 posts
Mar 31, 2007
7:21 PM
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Some day I'll be as proficient as you gentlemen on this puter. Took me three days to get the browser reset to get logged on here.
Magpies were mentioned reference Kenny's Monte cock. The maggies from England were actually/still are/the result of the pencil genotype.
The cock Kenny posted is simply pied marked which is very common in many roller families.
Gregg.
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nicksiders
1518 posts
Apr 01, 2007
9:38 AM
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I don't think Monty dabbled with the pencil(LMAO). I heard his birds were nearly pure Pensoms. I know that you newer guys hate to hear that name come up all of the time, but when you get right down to it, it is still Pensom birds that are in the bloodlines of most kits who are kicking your asses. He ain't going away! Get over it!
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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Gregg
51 posts
Apr 01, 2007
9:46 AM
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Nick,
You got that part right. Even the ones that had the feuds with Pensom and didn't acknowledge him, had birds from him. They just denied it. A lot of that same type of crap still goes on with guys claiming they didn't out cross to some one else's family of rollers, etc.
If you follow the Jac's, the Rottenbacher's, etc all the way back, they came from Pensom or birds that came over under his influence.
Gregg.
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Mongrel Lofts
291 posts
Apr 02, 2007
10:38 PM
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Hey Milo,
I have always wanted to see what this pair would throw. Narley on 604's mother.. Talk about your backwoods inbreeding,, LOL KGB
Last Edited by on Apr 02, 2007 10:40 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
433 posts
Apr 03, 2007
11:51 AM
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Dang Kenny,
Is that bird perched on the nest bowl showing a slight sign of some crest?..LMAO
Now ya got a crested,magpie,B/R situation going on there. I am gonna have to keep my eyes on you..LOL
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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MILO
299 posts
Apr 03, 2007
11:53 AM
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Nice. I like it Kenny. 604 sure looks like mom though. You know what is Ironic here? I have Narleys Son on 604...LOL We are on the same page then...LOL I'll take a picture of the pair, you'll see the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. I try to do it today.
c
Last Edited by on Apr 03, 2007 11:55 AM
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nicksiders
1537 posts
Apr 03, 2007
12:48 PM
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It may be a crested magpie, but at least it is dark checked(LOL).
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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ROLLERMAN
103 posts
Apr 03, 2007
1:43 PM
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i dont know if you look at the bird on the right it looks like its starting to grow a crest. either that or he for got to comb it feathers today..
al
only jokeing
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Mongrel Lofts
292 posts
Apr 03, 2007
7:55 PM
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Hi Jerry,
I can't get anything passed you Jerry. Of all the guys on this list, You are for sure the sharpest marble in the bag! LOL Let us reason together Jerry. I call this cock Narley Head, Hmmmmmm now why would that be? Could it be that Narley Head and messed up feathers on the back top of the head? Hmmmmmm I'm just not sure. You know, if Stan has pure Pensom's, I know how he got the crest on them,, He scalps them when they are young so the feathers don't grow back right and calls them crested. LOL This old cock is a 1996 cock that was scalped and I thought blinded as a young bird. I brought him in the house and hand raised him. If you look close you can see the skin around the eyes is still a little stretched, but not bad. He healed well and has been a great producer. I would have to kill my whole loft if he was a crest Jerry. LOL Only not kidding.. KGB
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