sac_spinners
100 posts
Mar 30, 2007
10:19 AM
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I was wondering what causes canker? is it the feed? can it be the birds? I have a pair of birds that when there youngs get around 2 weeks old they always seem to have canker so i was just wonder what is the cause could it be my pair of birds? any suggestion will help thanks in advance
Chor
Last Edited by on Mar 30, 2007 10:22 AM
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Electric-man
194 posts
Mar 30, 2007
10:25 AM
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Damp feed is the root of my old canker problems! Changed my feeding methods and started using apple cider vinager in the water and it seems to have solved the problem! If any feed gets damp, I clean it up and get rid of it. If you have cracked corn in your feed,that seemed to be my worst enemy when I was younger. I have also used fish zole and 4 in 1 to get rid of it but apple cider vinager, 2 tbsp for a gallon of water, is cheeper and is working for me. Hope this helps!
Last Edited by on Mar 30, 2007 10:33 AM
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JMHD
186 posts
Mar 30, 2007
10:30 AM
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Chor dirty feed is one way or dirty water also some birds carry canker and pass it on to their offspring there is a medication for that. John M.Loft(HDRC)So,Cal.
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luis
261 posts
Mar 30, 2007
10:40 AM
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To much safflower in the feed also causes canker in squabs.Although good for the high protein contained it is bad when given in excess,so take care to not give them to much.
Last Edited by on Mar 30, 2007 10:42 AM
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sac_spinners
101 posts
Mar 30, 2007
10:45 AM
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I feed the 19 percent with pop corn, usually i experience that the cracked corn can cause it like Electric man said but not sure about the popcorn, do you guys think that popcorn can cause it? i know corn aint good for them makes them hot or something like that, my feed are in air tight containers so i think that its not cause it damp, i do sometimes give them a hand full of safflower too but not sure what it is....
Chor
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J_Star
838 posts
Mar 30, 2007
10:59 AM
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Chor,
Causes can be of many things including:
1. EMOTIONAL STRESS or PSYCHIC STRESS is the number one cause of canker.
2. Nutritional deficiencies: deficient in Vitamin B1, B2, B6, B12 and C.
3. Allergies and sensitivities to certain feed or cereal grains such as buckwheat, wheat, barley, oats and rye, and the gluten protein found in grains.
4. Hormonal change, around breeding season.
5. Genetics, carried from generation to generation.
Jay
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luis
263 posts
Mar 30, 2007
11:00 AM
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Chor:
Cut back the safflower and see if it helps.19% feed is already high in protein!!Good luck.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1292 posts
Mar 30, 2007
11:10 AM
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Pigeon canker is Trichomoniasis which is a protazoan organism that lives in most pigeons. Stress is generally what brings it out, along with warm, moist weather and loft conditions. Antiprotozoal drugs work well to combat canker. Treating a flock say before breeding season doesn't guarantee that some offspring won't show signs of developing canker. It is easy to control as long as you have the proper medications on hand to administer when you find it in your birds.
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MILO
270 posts
Mar 30, 2007
11:13 AM
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Also, keep in mind that if you have identified it, make sure to treat it immediately. There is a point of no return if a bird or a number of birds are showing signs. If you are unlucky enough to get the "wild" type found in many commies, it can wipe out your entire loft.
c
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lil_jess
28 posts
Mar 30, 2007
11:47 AM
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can canker occur if no sunlight too. Just curious...
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DeepSpinLofts
921 posts
Jun 29, 2008
6:13 PM
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So Electric Man you haved used Fish Zole.
How well did it work for you?
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Electric-man
1771 posts
Jun 29, 2008
6:30 PM
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Thankfully, I haven't had one case of it this year! (Knock on wood)
Last year, I had some problems during the rainy season and I had little or no luck at all with fish zole! I would give 1/2 a tablet and usually come back to find a dead baby! I wasn't impressed with it!
If I have problems again, I will probably try spartix next!JMO
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Val
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PR_rollers
1328 posts
Jun 29, 2008
7:24 PM
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spartix is one of the most effective drug is usually effective with a single dose.
It is essential that the fancier prevents re-infection by practicing proper sanitation and husbandry.the carriers of this illness is not easily properly identify which can be the parents, you would know this when the squabs are born with this illness but you would have to isolate the birds quickly.
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Ralph
Last Edited by on Jun 29, 2008 7:25 PM
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DeepSpinLofts
922 posts
Jun 29, 2008
7:31 PM
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Hey Val....
How are those work-outs going?
A good thing to do is bike-riding! I ride my mountain bike all the time.
NOTE: It get's the cardio going, strengthens the legs and helps to loosen up the intestinal tract so that feces can be defecated more efficiently.
A good bike I would recommend is the 2008 Motobecane 400 HT Mountain Bike
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Electric-man
1772 posts
Jun 29, 2008
9:02 PM
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Ralph, it made a big difference when I closed up the west side of my loft and it keeps almost all of the moisture out! Now I have bricked the floors and they don't touch dirt anymore! Also, I give a lot of credit to the ACV that I add to the water! Not one sick youngster this year! Yet! Fixin to break them up too!
Marcus, lifting 4-5 times a week and been running every night! 1 1/2 to 2 miles every night since June 1st! Down 10 lbs already! Seeing my pics of me in the futurity fly was an eye opener! Fixin to go run now!
I drink ACV myself and take 2-3 fish oil pills a day,no problem with the plumbing! LOL
On top of that, I take garlic, a multi vit, and drink 2 protien drinks a day! Trying to get serious again!
Can't afford a bike right now, still paying off my lawyer bills! I am planning on getting one though, that is a nice one! Thanks!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
Last Edited by on Jun 29, 2008 9:29 PM
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DeepSpinLofts
924 posts
Jun 30, 2008
2:18 AM
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Val... that sounds just fantastic! Keep that up and you can live to be 100 years or more.
Always remember:
====> "Health is Wealth"!
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Electric-man
1775 posts
Jun 30, 2008
12:17 PM
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Well, if I have my ga-zintas figered right, thats about how long I'll need to achieve my master flyer points!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
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cvr(FR3rd)
34 posts
Jul 08, 2008
3:19 PM
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the # 1 thing that causes cankers is wet food
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Fernando Ruelas
CVR
Ruelas loft
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