nicksiders
1527 posts
Apr 02, 2007
8:55 PM
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When returning a breeder to the kitbox do you place them with the Varsity or a lesser team until you get them in shape?
My thinking is put them with the Varsity Team to start to develope that team relationship, but fly them with a lesser team for conditioning.
Any other thoughts?
Nick
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CSRA
114 posts
Apr 02, 2007
8:58 PM
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Thats how i would do it until he gets into shape sounds good to me!
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Phantom1
162 posts
Apr 02, 2007
9:09 PM
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Serious question here...
Is there a relationship among the birds in the air? Or just the kit box. Do you folks notice anyting?
I would think the obvious would occur. If you took 20 birds from 20 breeders, threw them into a kit box, trap trained them, then let'em go, it would be a mess. But birds from the same breeder/family/training style...would there actually be a difference. Other than dominant cock battling out for the top roost. Is there a "top" spot in the kit and/or flying formation?
Thank you for your input,
Eric
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birdman
322 posts
Apr 02, 2007
9:15 PM
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Nick, didn't you just lose some stockbirds by putting them back in the air or am I thinking of someone else?
Remember Murphy's Law.
Last Edited by on Apr 02, 2007 9:55 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1297 posts
Apr 02, 2007
10:00 PM
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Nick, the few times that I have put a bird I bred from back in the kit, I've found the best of the circumstances was to first get them on straight wheat for a while to help get some fat off them as well as get them in the kit box for a few days to let them settle back into a state of mind they were once familiar with. I prefer to put them in one of the middle kits, one that is older and flying good, but not a lot of frequency or rolling yet. The reason being is that we should take some care when putting a bird back up, knowing that it will have the potential to be loaded up with roll sensitivity, and conversely not physically or mentally conditioned to cope with it when that first blast from the roll engine kicks in. It doesn't happen all of the time, but it can and does happen. This is why I prefer a middle kit. They aren't goofy like a young kit, especially when it comes to landing. The A team can tend to pack an electric punch of sensitivity that can overwhelm a non mentally or physically conditioned bird. On the flip side, if your good kit is on the dull side, you would be fine. The key I think is to feel comfortable with giving them a chance to get past the first two or three days of flying. A calm kit will help the returning bird muster its conditioning and give it a chance to blend right back into the kit program in short order. Personally I prefer to hold the returning bird before its first release, then release the kit and once they are up and through with their 30 seconds of explosiveness, I just open my hand and let the bird fly out to go up to the kit.
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nicksiders
1530 posts
Apr 03, 2007
12:03 AM
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Russ,
I lost a cock bird to a hawk that I returned to the kitbox. I am returning some selected birds to the kitbox because due to some overflys and a short or small breeding year in 2006 I find someself short on talent in my competition kit. I know that we need to guard our breeding loft, but these birds where solid performers and did not shine as breeders. I am trying to stack my deck a little as not to embarrass myself too much(LOL). Right now with the exeption of 4 or 5 birds I am flying some junk so I am going to spice it up a little.
Nick
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nicksiders
1531 posts
Apr 03, 2007
12:13 AM
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Eric,
I believe that birds who live together stay together(LOL). I honestly believe that you have to develope the sence they they are a team by letting them study each other very closely; eat together; drink together; and fly together. They even establish the hiarchey of leadership within the kit family or team; perch positioning becomes an outcrop of this. I have a few birds you will find on the same perch everyday. It is important that they "settle" as most people say....but, to me it is when they join the team and are excepted by the other birds. Kinda of silly of me ain't it?
Nick
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nicksiders
1532 posts
Apr 03, 2007
12:14 AM
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Brian,
Good informative post.....thank you.
Nick
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J_Star
843 posts
Apr 03, 2007
11:48 AM
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Nick,
This is just my observation. When I put a stock bird back in the kit box, I notice that the bird don't want to fly for long nor want to fly high. Seems like they are trying to feel their wings for the first fly week. Then you start working them to get into shape and to get the good spin back.
Why do you think that you will be embarrassed!! Allot of well know flyers DQ. What is the difference? If you are a big bragger about how good your birds are and then don't materialize then I would understand. Otherwise, just have fun and don’t jeopardize your stock...
Jay
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