W@yne
373 posts
Apr 20, 2007
11:46 AM
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Guys
Just wandered what pattern your rollers perform best.
Some of the best kits i have ever seen fly and judge have been the figure of 8 pattern breaking at both ends of the 8 pattern.
Flying on 1 wing is what my birds seem to do most. Just bored and want a new subject to talk about i guess lol
Whats your views guys
Regards
W@yne uk
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1335 posts
Apr 20, 2007
12:16 PM
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Wayne, my opinion of the figure eight has wandered about for some time, meaning my interpretation of its importance has changed value as well as my reasoning for why the birds do it. Overall it seems that when a kit is really on point and flying a good speed at a good height and knocking out huge breaks, the flight pattern is more times than not, a figure-eight pattern or something similar. One of the most memorable kits I flew was a few years ago in the fall where my A team flew a precise figure eight pattern over the property from north to south. They had been doing it often leading up to the fly, but this day they were doing it like they were on train tracks, breaking at the exit of the turn when they straightened up. A friend asked me how in the world I trained them to do that. Jokingly I told him it was a secret, but the reality is that I feel it is the combination of various things working together. Those things being balanced mental and physical conditioning as well as a true devotion by every member of the kit to work as a team.
I haven't had a comp kit that would do it like that kit did since then. I believe the personalities of the kit members dictate a lot of the flight pattern. I believe certain families are more inclined to be willing to fly that pattern over others. I also believe a person's flying environment and landscape can often dictate whether or not the kit will get into this fly mode or not.
My belief today is that more than anything else it is a state of mind. It is the kit being truly "in the zone". If you have participated in sports you probably know what being "in the zone" is and on those days when you are so focused and in that zone, you give your best performance. Being into competitive trap shooting, I can tell you that finding the "zone" is the difference between winning and going home empty handed. When you are in that zone nothing in the world exists except what you are focused on. And I believe this is a lot of what really good kits do when they are flying a figure and and dumping big. Every member is in tune with one another and it looks like they are actually linked to one another. They days when my comp kit would fly this pattern and perform well, they wouldn't break at all unless every bird was in the kit. If a bird rolled out of the back on the turn, they would circle around and pick it up, then hit the straight run and dump it.
Is the figure eight the end-all, be-all of getting the best performance? I don't think so. But it definitely is good indicator of a team being set up just right and the potential is there for them to really put on a show.
Last Edited by on Apr 20, 2007 12:16 PM
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Shaun
473 posts
Apr 20, 2007
12:23 PM
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Hi, Wayne. Great weather we've been having in England, eh? I haven't seen a drop of rain all April.
Yeah, mine fly mainly one wing, anti-clockwise and it's a pain in the arse. No one particular bird - they change position regularly within the kit. But, suddenly, they lose their groove - perhaps a woodpigeon shoots over them close by. They stumble and then, lo and behold, I see a nice break.
Figure of eight? Yeah, in my dreams.
Shaun
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Velo99
1059 posts
Apr 20, 2007
3:04 PM
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For the most part rollers should fly in some kind of a figure eight. If they are not,there is a bird(s) pulling the kit in a circle. Ya gotta watch for him and pull him(them) until you get a bird that steps up and wants to be the team leader. Might take a few weeks of searching and flying. The results are worth the effort.
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Flyin Hawaiian
158 posts
Apr 20, 2007
4:37 PM
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Figure 8 flying is over rated and I dare say many have that flying pattern fixed within thier stock. As long as the birds are going in two opposite directions such as counter clock wise or clockwise and are making wide circles they will break on either turn wether right or left. Personally I like a kit that flys on a straight line either into a slight breeze or just going or coming. As long as the birds are flying without bent wing than you are safe to say they will evetually make a good solid break. When they fly fast with bent wing they are digging in and resisting the roll. Thier are two extremes and that is the tight circle with bent wing or the stretched quiet flying style that gets nothing done as well. Thirdly I almost forgot is the kit that has been tormented at an early age by preds this one you can stick a fork in it and be done with it because seldom to they ever straighten out. Flying correct fly patterns wether it be in a figure 8 or not will still in my opinion work the birds to roll in unison. The outcome of what happens is based upon what you are breeding from. Remember what goes in the stock loft is revealed in the air.
If your reasoning for figure 8 flying is to gain more frequency than you have been badly misinformed. Breeding for frequency starts and ends within your breeding stock. Thats my take on it for what its worth. Hope this sheds some light on the subject.
Ivan
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CSRA
169 posts
Apr 20, 2007
6:38 PM
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I agree Ivan as long as they do not fly stale in the same pattern i like them to fly tight but in a relaxed state for maximum performance
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nicksiders
1597 posts
Apr 20, 2007
7:28 PM
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I have notice that my birds have their biggest breaks when thay within whatever pattern they are flying are closest to being over thier loft area. It is like they slow up to take a closer look and then break.....it is like the kit formation clapses right before they break and it is when they get nearest overhead to the loft.
They do not have to be doing any particular pattern, so I agree with Ivan that the figure 8 may be over rated.
Nick
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Steve_uk
144 posts
Apr 21, 2007
2:56 AM
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The best kit ive ever seen anywere was at my old house the birds were just right and flew clockwise not changing wing at all but every time they got to the bottom of the street between the houses they broke big so i dont no about figure of 8 i think if the birds are right they'll do it no matter what pattern they fly.
Steve...
The idea of figure 8 is that the birds changes wing 3 times on the 8 .
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spinner jim
86 posts
Apr 21, 2007
8:00 AM
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Steve do your fantails do a figure eight,lol, now seriously steve what are the other breeds you keep wayne says they are pretty good but down here we dont get to see any other varieties of flyers other than the norm,did you import them or are the breeders in the uk, JIM (your gloucester buddy).
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Steve_uk
145 posts
Apr 21, 2007
9:35 AM
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Yes jim the birds were imported i fly adana dewlaps there from Turkey and kelebeks they were brought from Germany.
Steve...
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Missouri-Flyer
502 posts
Apr 21, 2007
2:52 PM
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hey Steve,
does that mean you dont fly the true performing birds then?
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Steve_uk
147 posts
Apr 22, 2007
12:01 AM
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Jerry i also fly rollers direct from goerge mason and W@yne so yes there true performers but i also fly diving pigeons.
Steve...
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W@yne
374 posts
Apr 22, 2007
12:48 AM
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Thanks guys for the views you guys have given especially Brian i agree with you 100% you sure describe the subject greatly and most accurate. Are you sure you don't want to write a book.(Lol)
Sorry Brian joking apart many thanks.
Ivan i don't think anyone breeds for a flying pattern in birds if it comes then its a plus. Like you said and i agree totally flying patterns wont bring your family frequency. Its what is in your birds and family that brings the motor as you guy say. But like i said switching from left wing to right wing forming a figure of 8 sure and still is amongst the best kits Ive seen although i know although flying on 1 wing can be just as good on the day. But as you say a slight breeze i prefer also .
Shaun
Lol its just started raining up here in the North west i hope you haven't put the mockers on all this good weather we have been having Lol.
Have a good day guys
W@yne uk
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Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2007 12:53 AM
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