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Mangement or family of birds
Mangement or family of birds
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Flyin Hawaiian
160 posts
Apr 21, 2007
4:08 PM
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It occurred to me how ignorant some can and will be in blinding themselves to the obvious. What are the percentages in terms of mangement applied versus a good start with the right stock?? Being one that beleives in getting the most out of what you have available supports my intuitiveness about having good stock to start out with in the beginning. You definitely will be much furthur along the scale when starting out with the very best you can afford. Having the right ingredients always helps in creating the final product. However you must keep in mind that there are basic rules of understanding how you can get the most out of what you have on hand. Sometimes having the very best is kinda like an overkill on purchasing some kind of electronic device that has more bells and whistles than you need to get the job done. The differrence of course is we're dealing with warm blooded animals here.
After a phone call last eve questions began to occupy my mind in thinking how many guys tend to think that if they purchase a high quality inbred family of birds from the kit they just viewed how easily it is to attain the same results. The question still remains to ask ones self! What other elements fit into the equation to attain those results?? The obvious answer lies with whom manages that kit of pigeons. Consistency, getting the birds on the wing at an early age, feeding regime, nutritional values,chemistry and regularity all play a major part in establishing the end results. I'm not saying that one doesn't necessarily need good stock to start with quite the contrary. What I am saying is that when you do purchase this kind of stock from a reputable fancier keep in mind that you may not get the same results that he does because of your management techniques. A good manager can take a mediocre bird that someone else is flying and get more for the buck so to speak out of it. You can't take a dishrag and make him better but I have seen and flown birds that were lacking in speed and improved upon such just by conditioning the bird and surrounding it with better birds to enhance the speed. This is the seperation from understanding and knowing when to apply stress on and stress off which envelopes management technique. The top consistent flyers know how to read thier birds and the results are evident when viewing thier kits. Its not a one fly wonder but rather a consistency that seperates them from the rest of the field. I have said this before and will repeat it again. Thier is no INSTANT BREAKFAST when achieving the ultimate goal in flying a truly phenomenal kit of rollers. So when you see a kit such as I have descibed above before inquiring to purchase stock from this fancier make sure you ask him just whats best in management technique and try to emulate as much as you can with your new family of birds. As someone said here recently on the list some families require more feed to get them to roll to thier optimun and others require less feed. So one must find the mark that gets the best results out of the kit and stick to it. Housing , topography all add to the equation in management and one must adjust it according to thier environment and schedules. Consider all and absorb all you can and be realistic about your results.
Aloha Ivan
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CSRA
176 posts
Apr 24, 2007
9:10 PM
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Very well said Ivan i hope you have reach some of our fanciers with your knowledge good job!
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Alohazona
271 posts
Apr 24, 2007
11:32 PM
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First class stuff Ivan...Aloha,Todd
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nicksiders
1614 posts
Apr 25, 2007
8:31 AM
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Ivan,
Very good post.
Nothing good happens by its self nor does anything bad.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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Ballrollers
773 posts
Apr 25, 2007
2:43 PM
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Ivan,
There is no doubt about the fact that management is key in developing a stud of rollers. Poor management of flying birds can screw up the best performers. And poor management in the breeding loft can reduce a good stud to stiffs or lawn darts in a few seasons.But in my opinion, one has to start with a stain or family of birds that have the basics in place, genetically speaking, for kitting, spinning, speed, quality and temperment, and I am sure we could add a few more key elements. The extent to which the birds that you start with are genetically deficient in these key attributes will determine the extent to which you have problems with your birds. That said, acquiring good management experience takes commitment and genuine interest in the entire process...which are not always present. In other words, it is just a "casual interest" to some, a "hobby" to others...and it is a true "sport" to the die hards. The intensity you put into this sport is directly proportional to the result you will get. And with all that.....there is no way on this earth to predict that anyone can attain the same result as someone else, no matter how much of the effort, or the management techniques, or the genetics in the birds are duplicated. One can get close, but in no way can one expect to attain the exact same results.
JMHO,
Cliff
Last Edited by on Apr 25, 2007 3:29 PM
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Velo99
1066 posts
Apr 25, 2007
5:24 PM
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Ya know guys,
Much has been said about ruining a kit. I was contemplating what to do with my kit. I have a couple of birds I would like to see in the stock pen. I have an extra box to put them in. After thinking about it for a few days I have decided to just keep on running them like I have been.
I remeber several post about changing the members of a kit and never regaining the chemistry that was there before. I am pretty happy with what I have now and I know I can make them better. I guess I am getting them ready for thr FF now. Rather I would do that than change anything and rsk losing the chemistry I have now.
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V99
Flippin`The Bird!
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
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