roll-n-4-ever
21 posts
Apr 28, 2007
1:57 PM
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HEY GUYS, MY KIT HAS BEEN FLYING FOR THE SECOND YEAR NOW AND FOR THE FIRST TIME THEY WENT FLAT. I DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE PROGRAM... THEY HAVE BEEN FLAT FOR ABOUT 2 WEEKS. FLOWN 6 TIMES IN 2 WEEKS AND THE ARE ROLLING @ HALF OF WHAT THEY CAN DO...... ANY IDEAS PLEASE HELP...
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Hector Coya
156 posts
Apr 28, 2007
3:10 PM
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You said the reason they are flat youself, (i didnt change anything) Sometimes they need a little feed shock.change the feed for about a week or two.youl see the diference.
Hector C
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Flyin Hawaiian
168 posts
Apr 28, 2007
3:34 PM
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You may have to fatten them up some or let them just be pigeons for a day or two. Anything that would remotely change thier rountine will be of help. Mix it up and always have a plan before you feed them. Keep them off guard and stress them up and down to enhance the roll. Often times a simple not flying them for a week will bitch slap them and wake them up. You can also try and purge them with buttered toast and mild epsom salts to get them thinking and detoxified. Lactic acid build up will cause them to deteriorate over time as well. Sometimes a depurative tea will help with thier respitory infections which sometimes aren't self evidient but can be low lying with existance that can't be seen. Careful when you do some changes as this will lead to some extremes such as high flying and long flying. You can also try separating sexes and flying them together if they are housed together.
Good luck to you.
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Gregg
92 posts
Apr 28, 2007
8:26 PM
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4-ever,
hate that. Had a response ready to post and wanted to check a fact so I went to a website and lost my post.
Ivan hit most of it on the head. I am leery of some of the epsom salt and purge routines. But I am a huge fan of the build up and break down routine such has been highlighted by the Monte Niebel program that Ivan posted a while back. I have been playing that game for over twenty years and it works. Lean them down on minimal amounts of wheat and then hit them with a protein rich diet coupled with a bit of fat, safflower for one. Then watch the results.
Expecting the same repetitive performance day after day is ludicrous. They are athletes that are very similar to gymnists. People have highs and lows, your birds are going to have same. Take a good look at your hold over kit. Did you delay their molt last fall to get them ready for the comps, intentionally or not, they could now just be finishing up the last flights.
There are lots of factors that could be influencing their performance. The fact that you have to ask why tells me that you need to spend more time with your kit, looking for those answers.
Gregg.
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Velo99
1075 posts
Apr 29, 2007
6:03 AM
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Gregg.
Speaking of the moult. How do you induce the moult?
I forgot how to do it.
It is always a struggle to get them moulted and ready for the FF.
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V99
Flippin`The Bird!
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
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Missouri-Flyer
524 posts
Apr 29, 2007
8:02 AM
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Kenny,
There are ways to deal with the molt when the fall fly comes, as some will attest. Some will induce the molt and pull certain flights in time for them to come back, while others will delay the molt until after the F/F by darkening the kitbox,etc...Just my thoughts.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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roll-n-4-ever
22 posts
Apr 29, 2007
2:20 PM
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hey guys thanks a lot for all the input. i will try the breaking down and build up program....
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Gregg
96 posts
Apr 29, 2007
6:17 PM
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Kenny,
Don't ever try this on young birds. Yearling or older kit birds can be forced into a molt(moult)by placing them in a wire pen with a southern exposure and a plexiglass roof. This would work even better in your Texas climate. I have never done it. Just say that in the presence of some of the old masters, one can learn things by listening. I know, some one is going to ask when in the hell did I ever shut up long enough to listen and learn?? Valid question at times.
But this method is simply reading between the lines of Jay's article. You put the birds into a pen with a southern exposure with plexiglass roof to let in lots of sunlight(heat) and only the front is wire. Keep down the gentle breezes that will tend to cool off the birds. They are in a pen that does not allow lots of physical activity and increases their body temperature. Thus the early start of the moult. Keep the sexes seperate. You want to shut down the sex drive also. Fatten them up a bit and presto, it is moulting season. This can be accomplished in June/July in the northern climes and probably sooner in the southern climes.
Gregg.
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Velo99
1076 posts
Apr 30, 2007
4:57 AM
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Thanks for the info guys. I have an aviary on my kitbox that should fill the bill quite nicely. Just starting to warm up now. By the end of the month I should be able to induce a moult in my kitbirds.
yits
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V99
Flippin`The Bird!
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
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Gregg
99 posts
Apr 30, 2007
5:21 AM
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Kenny,
I thought it was obvious in the message but it is worth stating just for the record, these birds you are trying to induce the molt on, you don't get to fly them during this period.
Gregg.
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CSRA
182 posts
Apr 30, 2007
6:54 AM
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They might be a little tired they will get back at it patience is key baby!
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