Bird_Man_916
16 posts
May 04, 2007
2:36 PM
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Here are 4 young Ruby that i got from Tony and thought i share it with you guys...Chai
Last Edited by on May 07, 2007 1:21 PM
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RO
56 posts
May 04, 2007
2:45 PM
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I like the redbar best.
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spinner jim
95 posts
May 04, 2007
3:09 PM
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Nice healthy youngsters,a credit to you,hope you do well with them ,JIM UK.
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CSRA
189 posts
May 04, 2007
6:14 PM
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Nice clean youngsters are they for flying or stock?
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sac_spinners
144 posts
May 04, 2007
6:44 PM
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Looks good man, i like the red bar the most also..didn't you get more rubys than that?
spin to win
Chor
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classicpony
190 posts
May 04, 2007
7:43 PM
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Bird,
what are their band numbers?? I might have a nest mate or brother or sister!
Jim
@thebirdhouse
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Santandercol
1044 posts
May 04, 2007
9:16 PM
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Hey Bird_Man,
Those must be stockers for sure.
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Kelly
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Electric-man
270 posts
May 05, 2007
1:31 PM
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I like the 4th cock the best! Their all nice though! Send us another pic when their mature, if you would! I'm waiting on 2 pr. myself!
Val
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Alohazona
274 posts
May 05, 2007
2:22 PM
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Keep an eye on that Lavender on the bottom.All my Ruby lavs,are either great kit birds or wizards in the air!!You will need more than 4 to work the line properly.Main thing is to hang on to what you have.Which is the challenge for any line you decide to work with,ENJOY!!....Aloha,Todd
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CooCoo
92 posts
May 05, 2007
6:36 PM
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Very nice looking birds .thanks for sharing.....Dave
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fhtfire
930 posts
May 05, 2007
8:06 PM
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Nice looking birds...they look like what I have!! The mealy bars seem to be excellent Birds, The Checks are fast but not as deep, the Lavenders seem to be a little hotter and deeper...At least that is what I see in mY Ruby's...Man they look like some young birds that I am producing now!!
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Bird_Man_916
17 posts
May 05, 2007
10:20 PM
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Thanks for all your guys comment...I'll be sure to post them up again when they're fully mature...Im planning to stock these birds up when there older...For now they're being locked up...Dont want to lose them to predators...LOL...Chai...
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BEN the bird man
29 posts
May 05, 2007
10:23 PM
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nice birds now i think when i have the money im gonna get some ruby rollers i love the top and the very botom one they are nice congrats
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Im the man in black
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Missouri-Flyer
535 posts
May 06, 2007
8:59 AM
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Hey Chai,
is there a reason your not flying the birds out to find out if they have the stuff to breed from or not?...Just curious
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1292 posts
May 06, 2007
11:12 AM
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Hey Jerry, I recommend he not fly these but fly out their youngsters when the time comes.
What he needs is the gene-pool from a good family. He can select from the air with the first and subsequent generations.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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fhtfire
931 posts
May 06, 2007
11:41 AM
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M-flier
When starting out there are a few different ways to do it...getting proven breeders and fly the young, Getting a kit of squeeks and flying them and picking from the air, or getting young birds from a proven family and breed them and then fly the young.
Getting proven breeders is RARE..and COSTLY...but mostly rare. If you get a kit of squeeks from a good breeder and want to fly them....usually that only happens if the price was right....I can stand losing a couple squeeks I paid 15-20 dollars for...especially if I get 15 or so....Or you can get some young from a tight strain and just breed them..usually this happens if you paid a good bit of money for squeeks or they are a couple squeeks from a top notch breeder that usually does not give birds away...
For example...if Ken Billings said ...here are a couple of squeeks from my best pairs....If you fly those...you need to be hit in the head with a ball pean hammer.....LOL!!! or if you pay good money......you don't want to risk losing them....fly the young and pull the best.
Even proven breeders are still unproven in your loft...if you can't figure out the family...the proven breeders are usless!!!
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Missouri-Flyer
536 posts
May 06, 2007
11:52 AM
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Understood Tony.
I will talk with ya more about it in person, as to my thoughts.
P.S, nice looking young.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
Last Edited by on May 06, 2007 11:52 AM
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George Ruiz
251 posts
May 06, 2007
11:57 AM
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fly them out is the best way to go I think
George
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1293 posts
May 06, 2007
12:20 PM
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Hey George, the kid paid a wad of cash. He can fly their youngsters out. They come from proven breeders and it is the same gene-pool. He'll get the same and better and his share of culls. I know my family.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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George Ruiz
252 posts
May 06, 2007
12:33 PM
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Hi Tony
If the 80/20 rule is correct then if I purchused 10 squekers only two would be the kind to breed from.
why waste few years breeding to find those two birds when you can fly them out and pick the best hen and cock
then use the rest for fosters.
just my opinion george
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Missouri-Flyer
537 posts
May 06, 2007
12:37 PM
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Hey Tony, just wanted to say Good Luck on your fly in a bit. I wanted to make it, but have family from Texas coming in about an hour now. I am gonna try to make it to Bobs in the morning, but if not, I will start at Bills for sure..If your gonna be there I will bring the mask if ya still need one.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1294 posts
May 06, 2007
6:11 PM
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Hey George, thanks for your thoughts. I believe you are not properly understanding the 80/20 Rule and how to gainfully exploit it.
When it is properly exploited using what is known as 16x, the "20%" is multiplied several times. The 80/20 Rule is merely a "natural" starting point. Most people do get stuck there.
To try and explain it in roller terms, perhaps thinking of it as "breed best to best and cull the rest". Eventually, through proper selection, you will SET certain traits and as a result, you will get a much higher percentage of birds exhibiting those desired traits; I like: roll-velocity-depth-control-type, etc.
For example; over the years, I have selected for these kinds of traits so that today for example, I am more likely to get a bird with these traits from a wider cross section of my birds than I would have back in the 1990's.
So, I would rather have a pair of my young birds from my breeders today than say from 1995 or 1999. Why? Because they exhibit/demonstrate more of the traits I am after and minimimal traits of the kind I don't want(non-kitters-roll downs-lack of control, etc).
If this is not the case, and you cannot set certain traits, then there is no logic in line-breeding or breeding best to best...
Like I said in "How To Breed Better Rollers", most established breeders already practice some of these concepts, they just don't use the same terminology I do coming from a business background.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1295 posts
May 06, 2007
6:12 PM
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Yeah Jerry, I plan to be at Bob's in the morning too. Bring the mask, that would be great! Thanks!
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Santandercol
1051 posts
May 06, 2007
8:03 PM
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Tony,
I agree with you.With only 4 birds to start out he could lose em in pretty short order flying them now.Definately better to breed a load of youngfly 'em and pick breeeders to further progress.
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Kelly
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