George Ruiz
253 posts
May 06, 2007
12:38 PM
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What do you consider a top notch breeder ?
A person who breeds good looking birds or a person who breeds birds that are always placing in the top 10 of the score sheets regardless of who's training the birds.
George
Last Edited by on May 06, 2007 12:41 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
540 posts
May 06, 2007
1:08 PM
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George,
you have been around this site long enough that a question like that is going to bring ill remarks as far as breeding birds for looks goes. There are only a FEW here that even consider the equation. Myself, looks arent important, unless your talking body makeup,etc..I go with the concept that if it spins to my liking, then it sticks around, if not then it leaves. Color isnt a factor, unless it is purple or pink, then I will sell it for mucho money..LOL
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Steve_uk
149 posts
May 06, 2007
2:03 PM
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Bit of a no brainer dont u think.
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George Ruiz
254 posts
May 06, 2007
2:06 PM
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please explain for us folks who are not as smart as you Steve
George
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rollerpigeon1963
160 posts
May 06, 2007
3:31 PM
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George,
I'll go out on a limb here and try to answer your question. There is many different types of breeders out there. There is the ones that enjoy there birds in their own back yards. You know the ones that are sitting in their lawn chair with a cold drink in their hand watching their birds do what there suppose to do. They don't have a care in the world watching their birds. Not trying to impress no one but enjoying the moment.
Then there is the people who like to add color to their birds. Waiting for the next young bird to hatch out and see what colors or patterns they come up with. Spending countless hours studying different writings about genetics. And as many hours in the breeding loft to get the color and pattern they are looking for.
Then there is the guy who raises birds for the performance side. One that spends many hours in the loft thinking of what to pair with what. Thinking what the squeakers will be doing in the air when they get older. And what will he breed for next year. Watching each and every bird as it fly's. Making mental notes of each bird performance.
Now each and everyone of these guys have a right to be called a top notch breeder. It all depends which road you take with the birds. But the hobby looses when you pit the groups against one another. So it don't matter if you have awards and trophies to show your skill level. But what you can do and get from the hobby.
And since you didn't mentioned what type of a top notch breeder you were talking about. I didn't know which way to take your question so I answered the best way I could. Hope this was what your looking for?
Thanks and best of luck
Brian Middaugh
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CSRA
191 posts
May 06, 2007
4:24 PM
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Well what ever direction you choose to go it takes many years to truly understand exactly what you doing rather it is for color ,roll ,tempermant ,type ,character individual spin kit competition to be considered top notch you have to be good at what you do year after year and you have to have good character willing to help old and new fanciers with what ever may it be to better the fancy most of all have respect for your hobby
Last Edited by on May 06, 2007 4:25 PM
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George Ruiz
255 posts
May 06, 2007
4:28 PM
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Hi Brian
Thanks for you input, so everyone that breeds pigeon's has the right to be called a top notch breeder.
I never thought I could make it to that level.
Thanks George
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1351 posts
May 06, 2007
6:39 PM
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George, there are two types of "top notch" breeders.
(1). The guy who thinks he is.
(2). The guy other people think is.
When a person uses the term Top Notch, they have to be specific about what venue. I'm a MB of Wests, which means top notch, but that doesn't mean I am even close to such a lofty title with rollers. Like Brian mentioned, there are different strokes for different folks when it comes to rollers.
On the assumption your directive is pure flying competition performance, my feelings are that a person who is a top notch flyer is a person who knows the intricacies of his pigeons, inside and out, and how to continually get them to perform to their best on fly day as well as breed their best in the loft.
And this has absolutely nothing to do with their birds as the label of being top notch is about the person, not the pigeons. Then we can separate the two once again into two distinct category...the top notch breeder and the top notch flyer. There are numerous guys who do breed excellent pigeons, but aren't much for managing them on a competitive basis. Just some thoughts.
Brian.
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George Ruiz
257 posts
May 06, 2007
7:02 PM
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Hi Brian
J.V. was just here last week to judge for the W/C/ prelims
we went and had lunch after it was over, I enjoyed talking to him very much.
I scored a 77 with kit number #1 and 73 with kit#2
so much for a Top notch breeder LOL
George
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1352 posts
May 06, 2007
9:08 PM
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George, that is probably what mine will score too..lol
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J_Star
862 posts
May 07, 2007
5:17 AM
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George,
That is an interesting question!! You received very good answers from both Brians. I will answer your question from either performance or show due to the fact that breeding is similar but the aspect is different. A top notch breeder is the one who understand the science behind breeding. Believe me it is science. Read my articles and you will see where I am coming from. The inbreeding, linebreeding, outbreeding and when to outcross. There are proven ways of how to do it and when to do it and when not to do it. Some breeders become so familiar with the concept and it becomes part of their nature to be able to put pairs together with great success and minimizing the roll down and the junk.
These days, you find allot of top notch breeders and their names are well known. The reason is because for a long time they worked on refining their family by selection and breeding best to best out of the tightened up gene pool. Now we purchase those offspring from those top notch flyers and believe me that no matter how you breed them together, your percentage still would be greater than the usual because they have the same genetic make up. Then the new guy become a top notch breeder as well if follows rule number one…SELECTION.
Top notch flyer is totally different in that regard. Some people become so good at understanding their birds and how to manage them to the point that the birds will perform the best at the time when you need their performance the most.
Jay
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motherlodelofts
1760 posts
May 07, 2007
7:38 AM
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George , I think that I know where you are going with this,
but there is no one family nor flyer dominating anything, nor is there a family that will do well no matter who's hands they are in.
They all take managing , hot familys need to be held together that only do well as youngbirds on to stiffs to be made to roll and everything inbetween.
Some families have been spread accross the planet in huge numbers , and they even only do well under the mangement of a hand full of particular flyers.
Scott
Last Edited by on May 07, 2007 7:41 AM
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nicksiders
1646 posts
May 07, 2007
11:28 AM
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I really liked BMC's definitions of the two types of top notch breeders. There are a lot of number one's; fewer number two's(much fewer).
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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