budharley
3 posts
May 11, 2007
3:45 AM
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Hi guys has any one here ever imported birds to and from the uk whats the restrictions if you have what were the birds like
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Santandercol
1064 posts
May 11, 2007
6:16 AM
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I think the easiest way to import birds is in the pockets of a trenchcoat.No restrictions whatsoever,,,as long as you don't get caught!!!It has been done.
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DeepSpinLofts
77 posts
May 11, 2007
6:25 AM
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This trenchcoat smuggling you speak of.
This was more than likely done before the Department of Homeland Security was established.
QUESTION: Has it happened since?
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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kcfirl
96 posts
May 11, 2007
7:47 AM
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I have not imported birds but have looked into it. It is quite expensive to get them from Europe althought the homer guys do it all the time since paying a few grand to import a few birds is much more palatable when the birds cost $1,000's.
Getting them in from Canada or Mexico is much more reasonable and much easier to do clandestinely as well.
Firl
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motherlodelofts
1768 posts
May 11, 2007
8:29 AM
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I think that Ron Judd visits here from time to time and has done it.
I was just talking to a guy last week that did it, he said it ran about 200 bucks a bird and had 3 pair brought in, I thought 200 a bird was very reasonable.
Scott
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spinner jim
96 posts
May 11, 2007
9:58 AM
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HEY scott, two hundred bucks postage per bird,that would make a total of two hundred and one bucks after paying me ,lol, jim uk.
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ROLLERMAN
125 posts
May 11, 2007
11:21 AM
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I Thing the bulk of your expense is after the birds are in this country. There is a fee for each bird and each day the birds are in quarantine, I Dont know if its 30 days or 60 days but the last time i had some homers inpoted it was $5 A bird per day, there are brokers that take care of all the paper work involved in haveing birds inpoted. No mater how you do it its not going to be cheap
al
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W@yne
404 posts
May 11, 2007
1:04 PM
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Sending eggs over must be the way forward somehow.
W@YNE
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nicksiders
1677 posts
May 11, 2007
1:25 PM
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I would be more leary of importing rollers from the US than I would be importing from the UK. The US has agressively contaminated and corrupted the Birmingham Roller with all kinds of color projects and inter-breeding that you will have less assurance on what you are getting. The UK has done some of this I am sure, but not on the scale it is done in the US.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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Electric-man
283 posts
May 11, 2007
1:30 PM
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I've also heard that shipping eggs work! The last guy that I heard talk about it had a better than 50/50 hatch ratio! Sounds a lot more cost effective, but everything would have to be timed just right, layers, shippng,and fosters! Take some planning!
Val
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spinner jim
97 posts
May 11, 2007
1:46 PM
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IF any of you guys would like to try importing some eggs,i can supply a few,it would be interesting to see how they come on over there as opposed to uk weather etc,i dont want paying for them,just supply the postage,it should not be a great amount,JIM UK.
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W@yne
405 posts
May 11, 2007
1:56 PM
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Nicksiders
Your probably bang on there. Like I've stated on numerous times Over here we have 2 types of roller guys the show type guys that have the big Birmingham Rollers modena cross monster birds etc for show purposes only Lol.
And there is the flying guys who fly in comps. Obviously i cannot count for everyone in uk but I've never heard or seen anyone adding anything to the Birmingham Roller to gain color to benefit performance and looks of a true Birmingham Roller. If there is anyone in the uk that can prove me wrong please speak up? I just think it would be a backward step to all the decades of hard work that has been put into these great birds to do this just to quickly undo it all. And yes if you thinking about exporting your birds from over here then i don't think you guys can go wrong knowing that your birds will be pure well 99.9% i would go to. But if you guys over there know yer history of your birds you will know who's birds to go to for your stock you don't need our birds over here because you guys already have them over there you just need to know where to go.
Regards
W@YNE UK
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Last Edited by on May 11, 2007 2:25 PM
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motherlodelofts
1769 posts
May 11, 2007
4:31 PM
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Wayne , there are still many lofts of Birmingham Rollers that havn't been polluted over here , but it is a real problem as many new guys end up with the crossed up garbage.
You made mention of being set back decades , the problem isn't getting the mongrels to roll , the problem is getting crosses where they can mentaly and physicaly handle the roll , which goes right over many's head.
Scott
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ROLLERMAN
126 posts
May 11, 2007
7:51 PM
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from inporting and exporting birds back to color birds ..
Color subject boreing. Sorry just my 2 cents
al
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nicksiders
1678 posts
May 11, 2007
8:29 PM
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al,
It is not about color breeding....it is about the integrety of what is being imported/exported.....so, you don't have to be bored.
Nick
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Santandercol
1067 posts
May 11, 2007
11:16 PM
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Nick,
You are a riot!And you used to fight for your country???LOL.I'm glad to see you've seen the light!!!Jeez I'd like to meet you and talk birds,,,dogs,,,,whatever.
Ya know what tho',about this importing birds thing,,,unless you're wanting to import some breed like Shaksharis or lebanons or some unobtainable breed in your home country,the hassle to go through with the Gov cert vets and the paperwork and $$$$$$$$$$$$,,,sh-t man,find something available close to home with Birmies.Just do some research and be patient.
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W@yne
406 posts
May 12, 2007
12:50 AM
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Scott
I know exactly where you are coming from IE The young serious fanciers getting polluted birds to start from can knock a new guy backwards not forwards adding many moments of sheer frustration and sadness and much wasted time and effort. It seems like it is in a sad state over there at the moment . So if there is any newbies reading this post i cant emphasize the importance of doing yer homework and history of the birds you are obtaining before you start to buy and establish yer family that you are going to start with and i don't think you will go wrong.
Anyway like someone mentioned before color seems to come into all discussions somehow i think that it was Nicksiders this time that firstly mentioned it on this post not me lol. But if there is people want nice looking pretty colors in there loft and you don't want to take up this hobby seriously then its up to you guys anyway its you guys that feed them.
Regards
W@yne uk
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Last Edited by on May 12, 2007 12:53 AM
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Shaun
478 posts
May 12, 2007
2:07 AM
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Hey, Wayne. When I started with rollers 2 years ago, I couldn't find anyone of note advertising in the obvious places like the internet, Exchange & Mart, that type of thing. Only this one bloke had a national advert for tumblers and rollers. I'd had a few tumblers in my youth and liked them. I'd also had one roller, but could only remember it was a better tumbler that the rest! Anyway, our seller only had rollers left and so I bought 7 pairs. I lost a few in settling and flew out the rest. Of course, I should have kept them all in and flown out the young, but I was too impatient.
After a couple of weeks' flying, it was evident that I'd been sold a really mixed bag of rollers. They looked the part, but a couple didn't roll at all, whilst a few were just average. Two in particular were very good and I still have them. What occurs to me is that this bloke in the UK could easily get rid of all his culls and only sell good ones. At least he advertises and knows how to Amtrac then to his buyers. However, he just lumps everything together and you get what you're given. With such poor quality, I wanted to start again, but I had nowhere else to turn. But then I stumbled across the NBRA website (the main UK roller site) and contacted Graham Dexter.
From then, matters were much easier and not long after I was opening my wallet to George Mason and Dave Moseley. But, it remains the same now. These guys with the really good birds, are difficult to track down, so the novice is at the mercy of the guy with much lower standards. Importantly, though, despite the performance of my first birds being questionable, there wasn't a hint of cross-breeding. I made a few enquiries and the seller's birds were said to be founded from Barratt stock. He said he'd been forming his own line of rollers for 30 years. Well, he wasn't making a very good job of it!
It's so easy for the novice to start out badly.
Shaun
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spinner jim
98 posts
May 12, 2007
3:20 AM
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Shaun,This happens all the time with birds bought in from different scources,they are not allways good,if you buy youngsters you have to bring them on and fly,breed and select,thats what i have done but i have had duff birds aplenty along the way,although i prefer a bird to look good if they dont roll i get rid,it takes time to get where you are going but hang in there,some of the youngsters i have this season look nice but not all will do the bussiness so i will keep going and breed and select and then the f------ falcon will take the good ones lol and i am back to square one again but its a great hobby,i would ask wayne to come down and sort out my birds but i would end up with just my parakeet left lol,jim gloucester. ps names dont mean a lot if the birds are stinkers ?.
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motherlodelofts
1773 posts
May 12, 2007
8:15 AM
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Wayne, I think that it is just a case of them just not knowing and buying birds from the auction sites and backyard feather peddlers.
Serious flyers are serious flyers, and here as over there you can't fool around if you want to crawl forward , in the main stream of the sport you see very little of that stuff.
Scott
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W@yne
408 posts
May 13, 2007
6:17 AM
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Shaun
How ya doing buddy?.
I know where you are coming from in regards of getting good stock from the start. You went about it the right way Graham dexter is a top guy and a good friend who i consider one of the most honest guys you could meet. When i first started in rollers i wasted 4 years of having birds from a couple of known flyer's thinking i was on the right track only to learn later that i was given the flyer's crap by especially 2 known flyer's in the uk.
One thing, I am like an elephant i never forget Lol.
I would never go out my way for these 2 flyer's that wasted my time an effort ever.
I learned later that these 2 guys was feather merchants. But i later found the All England Roller Club and travelled around watching many kits of all the top guys to get to know what i was looking for. I learned later that there is more good guys in this sport than bad you just need to know where to go for your birds to start with.
Scotty
Yes i agree with you regarding auctions to a certain point
We can have auctions at major meetings where birds are bid on. But only roller guys that have won flys and are established members of a recognised club enter there birds usually have paper work or peds in the cage and will be attending the auction and you can speak to the guys who are selling regarding the birds at auction.
Then there's markets that sell fowl and birds that some roller guys sell off all there unwanted birds. This is wrong and a big no no for a newbie to go. No history no paperwork just roll downs and culls that who are so called roller men get rid of all there crap. Now these auctions are a total disgrace to the roller hobby in my opinion. The people taking these birds should be kicked out of there clubs.
Regards
W@YNE UK
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Jim i would gladly sort out all your birds for you Lol.
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Last Edited by on May 13, 2007 11:53 AM
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Shaun
479 posts
May 13, 2007
11:35 AM
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Wayne & Jim, what I found the most surprising was that someone who clearly took pride in telling me he'd been developing his own strain for 30 years and who acknowledged that it's likely to take a newbie a few years to forge a decent kit, still kept such roller dross on his premises, rather than cull them as he went along.
I think I would have hated that guy had he sold me nothing but crap, but in amongst the batch I got, there were some decent rollers. Personally, if I'd managed to open up a market in the UK for rollers, perhaps taking advantage of the fact that the well-known guys weren't interested in doing so, I would take much more pleasure in selling birds I had confidence in. Ah, well - it's history now.
Graham did mention the AERC auction each year and told me an interesting story. He said some of the top guys would donate birds to raise funds for the club. However, some years, the bidding would be so slow that the guys donating rollers would buy their own birds back, rather than see them going for a mere £10 each or so. Other years, he said, there would be blokes very keen to buy and prices would be through the roof. You never could tell.
Shaun
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