619spinners
1 post
May 17, 2007
3:42 PM
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hi, I'm new to the whole roller thing and i was wondering do rollers forget to roll? i picked up eight birds from a local breeder, i picked them out of the sky so i know what they can do. but after about 18 months i let them fly here and nothing five don't roll and the other two only do one or two(one bailed on me). I'm stumped and a little disappointed. any help would be great
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1387 posts
May 17, 2007
3:44 PM
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You are probably feeding them A LOT more than the previous owner was.
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nicksiders
1693 posts
May 17, 2007
4:37 PM
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If you haven't flown them for 18 months you got to get them back in shape. They are strong and fat if you haven't flown them in awhile. What are you feeding them and how much?
Welcome to this site...........the best there is.
Nick
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sundance
115 posts
May 17, 2007
7:05 PM
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some of those birds may not ever roll the way they did when you picked them. Were they youngsters then? Without a somewhat regular flying schedule maybe they have matured and have lost the urge to roll? If they really had what you want to see in the air, I would say to just breed from them and sort the best of the young and start breeding them. If you are sure of ,maybe a particular cock, just breed him to about three different hens. The following year you will have a lot of have brother, sister pairings to choose from. Only breed from a few of the best of them and you should be well on your way.
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619spinners
2 posts
May 17, 2007
7:27 PM
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i've had no luck with the offspring, i wanted to see them roll so i could choose better pairs. i let them pair up by them selfs and they produced few good tight rollers alot of roll downs and some birds that are 1 year old and not spinning yet. how can 2 birds that roll 25-35 feet produce roll downs? these birds where my breeders so they got as much food as they wanted. at first i had trouble getting them to fly but i started giving them one tbsp of wheat per bird they've been on this diet for about three weeks. they are all at least 4 years old. thanks for all the help and sorry for all the questions.
Last Edited by on May 17, 2007 10:14 PM
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George Ruiz
265 posts
May 17, 2007
7:33 PM
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Hey 619
it could just be a bad family of birds thats a lot of rolldowns to breed just something to think about
george
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nicksiders
1694 posts
May 17, 2007
8:21 PM
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Keep the questions coming.....don't apologise. I rarely put a breeder back into the air. They rarely perform to thier old level even after getting them back into shape.
How long have you been involved in rollers? Do you have a mentor that is nearby? Just asking these questions so I know where to begin..............
Nick
PS - What's the name?
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619spinners
3 posts
May 17, 2007
8:59 PM
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I've been around rollers for about 3 years but never owned any until 18 months ago because i lived in an apartment. I live in San Diego now and don't know any breeders around here. George Ruiz says it might be a bad family because of all the roll-downs (14 out of about 40) but from what they've produced i have 11 nice tight rollers.
BTW the name's Alex (Alexander)
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George Ruiz
266 posts
May 17, 2007
9:18 PM
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Alex 6 more and that would be half thats A High number of rolldowns any way cut it
George
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nicksiders
1695 posts
May 17, 2007
9:40 PM
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Alex,
That is a large number of rolldowns. There are several solid breeders in the San Diego area. Check the NBRC site and see if you can make contact with one, two, or three of them. Many have phone numbers or email addresses available. I think you have a good mind set for the birds after reading your posts.
As George aluded to, you might have a family problem and if that is the problem it will take forever to overcome. Sometimes there is a cause to switch the whole family out for a stable one. It has to be your decision of course.
Another breeder nearby may be able to assist you with some suggestions after he views your set up and watches your birds fly. You in turn can view his setup and watch his birds fly. You just might find that your birds ain't that bad and with some changes in pairing/culling/ and management modifications you can change your whole operation over without changing out the family. You got to work hard in making that contact with other breeders to get out of the fix that you may of may not be in.
It is not a simple process at times.
DON'T GIVE UP!
Nick
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J_Star
877 posts
May 18, 2007
4:59 AM
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Analyze and see what pairs are giving you the roll downs. If they come out of a particular pair or two, then break them up and mate them to others. It is possible that you are mating too much heat together. Slowly, start replacing your breeders that don’t give you the goods or producing too much heat with the youngsters that you are flying and showing you the goods. Soon enough, you will find yourself honing on one pair or two of breeders that will be the corner stone of your loft.
There is nothing wrong with the family of birds you have, just with proper selection and mating you will overcome the issue currently you have at hand. Without proper analysis and documentation of your birds, you will continue on the wrong path even if you keep replacing your family of birds over and over again. Good luck.
Jay
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classicpony
206 posts
May 18, 2007
6:06 PM
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Welcome 619!
Jim @thebirdhouse
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fhtfire
957 posts
May 18, 2007
11:30 PM
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If you have not flown them for quite awhile and try and fly them...don't expect much of anything....they get a little fat and lazy in the breeder loft...If they are your breeders...don't fly them anyway....fly the offspring.
It seems they are producing a lot of roll downs...that is not a good thing....a couple here and there is part of the game. I agree with Jay..switch the pairs around and see what happens....if you continue to get roll downs...it could come from a cock or hen. As for the young that are doing good...pick from them and keep putting the best to best...and in time...you should be able to get some good rollers.
OF course...if you started with bad stock...then there may not be hope...if that is the case...take the suggestions and find a good breeder in your area.
I think you got most of your questions answered....just remember..if they are crap...cull them and move on...you will see in time that if you circle the wagons around the best....your % of good birds will go up.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Velo99
1097 posts
May 19, 2007
6:02 AM
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619,
Welcome.
As already stated,it takes quite a while to get your operation streamlined and all the players in thier proper postions. I had pretty good stock to start with,and I have been in four years now and just getting comfortable with my operation. Take your time and learn the traits in general and the traits of your paticular strains of birds.
One other thing. Just because someone has the same strain of birds as you do does not neccessarily mean you will have the same performance. There is a large disparity in management,breeding skills and techniques which make it sometimes impossible to relate one to another.
Good luck and once again welcome.
kh
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Last Edited by on May 19, 2007 6:04 AM
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3757
132 posts
May 19, 2007
8:20 AM
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Alex - J Starley's advice is 100percent correct. Analyze what you have a keep the producers. Do not go out an get birds to start over. If, as you say, you have produced some tight spinners keep those pairs and get rid of the ones that are not producing. You will be more satisfied if you analyze your own family and stick with them.
Last Edited by on Apr 08, 2008 9:42 PM
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619spinners
4 posts
May 21, 2007
1:06 PM
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thanks for all the great suggestions and Hospitality. I think I'm going to try to move them around and see what pairs produce what. I'm also going to look into buying a couple new birds so i can compare and mix with my own if any one knows where i can get some, i was looking into the ruby rollers on this site does anyone now what i can expect from them?
Last Edited by on May 21, 2007 1:12 PM
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Electric-man
305 posts
May 21, 2007
3:40 PM
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Well we can't bad mouth em here you goober! LOL This is his site and buisness!ha ha ha No, just kidding, I've got a couple of pairs coming in June myself! I'm sure that they will be good birds, great, I hope! Kind of luck of the draw, you can get young birds from the best family in the world and that don't mean that they will have the goods, but the genetics are their and I'm sure the odds of getting good birds are high. Besides, for us guys that are still gettin started, its a good way to show Tony some appreciation for makin this site possible! He will be there to help us out in the long run when we need supplies or just to answer our questions! For that, I am willing to try his birds and products! Help the ones that are there to help us!
Just funnin about the goober comment, you can pay me back if it makes you feel better! LOL Just be gentle,I'm kinda sensitive!
Val
Last Edited by on May 21, 2007 3:44 PM
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JMUrbon
265 posts
May 21, 2007
4:35 PM
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I am going to go out on a limb and say that there is alot of roll in the family and probably something that you can work with. You just need to focus on the rite birds. If you continually breed from the best and cull the rest then the roll down % will come down and you will see a noticeable change. Be patient and good luck. Joe
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