J_Star
1062 posts
Jun 29, 2007
5:09 AM
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Tony,
Well, I am glad that I provoked you to say something. That is the kind of stuff I like to hear (ideas and solutions). I've talked to you several times on the phone and I can see that your way of thinking is above the average roller man. From work, life and business experiences makes you shine. Am I sucking up pretty good (lol)!!!
Any way, Frank Mosca is an attorney and he lives in CA. I don't know what kind of attorney he practices but sure if he was contacted he will be able to refer us to an outstanding defense attorney who could help.
Tony, you need to run for NBRC presidency. I will vote for you. And some was talking about a fund to help those individuals...which fund are you guys talking about? Is there something that is setup? I would like to know...I will do my part and help.
Jay
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Oldfart
80 posts
Jun 29, 2007
10:24 AM
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Nick,
I think you are exactly right. I would think that anyone with these vocations would have a vested interest in
helping to protect our sport. If in no other or official capacity then with council or advice for those on the front line. No one can know who might be next.
Thom
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1422 posts
Jun 29, 2007
12:18 PM
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Yes Nick, problem is, most people don't want to be involved. The NBRC will have to hire the help they want.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1423 posts
Jun 29, 2007
12:33 PM
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Hey Duane, I have contacted a class-action attorney back on June 11, I am still waiting to hear back if this is something that they can pickup or if more info and docs are needed. This is just 1 firm I contacted at this point.
I think the main point of a suit would be that roller breeders are not being issued trapping permits in sufficient numbers because, after all, we are only protecting "flying rats"!
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Electric-man
364 posts
Jun 29, 2007
1:11 PM
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Tony for president!
Val
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Ballrollers
793 posts
Jun 29, 2007
10:49 PM
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Guys,
I don't think you can expect much from the NBRC for the moment. A grand jury has requested five years worth of information from the NBRC in its investigation as to whether the NBRC has conspired to harm BOP, as an organization. I don't think we can expect any activity on this front from the organization until that issue is settled.
We on the convention committee are, however, considering a panel discussion at the convention on the subject. Panel members could include a USFWS agent, a falconer, an Audobon Society Representative, state wildlife officials, etc. There is a great deal of misinformation out there, and the greatest service that can be provided to the hobbyist, currently, is the knowledge of how he can manage this problem within the limits of the law.
YITS,
Cliff
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rollerman132
119 posts
Jun 30, 2007
12:14 AM
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Sounds good Tony, keep us informed on the out come.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1430 posts
Jun 30, 2007
5:33 AM
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Hey Cliff, THANK YOU for that little piece of information. I did not know the NBRC faced this legal issue. Now I'm depressed.
Like a roller fancier I have alot of respect for said when all this story broke, "all is lost"...now I think I understand.
Does anyone know of another national roller pigeon organization that can promote our hobby and work to protect our interests? Is the NPA all that is left for us?
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motherlodelofts
1866 posts
Jun 30, 2007
9:41 AM
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Cliff is right , there is a lot of misinformation out there , but alot of that was also was done purposly in order to make a bad situation look even worse , and it was done by some of the very people that he mentioned.
Plus you have to keep in mind the ARs , in thier little pea brains nothing should ever be bred for and or kept in captivity.
There are so many positive things brought out by this breed ,one of the greatest being it crosses barriers of society such as racial and economic like nothing else.
I have been in inner cities where I am the only white face in miles , and yet I stood amongst friends.
And my home has also been opened for those same friends , from ditch diggers to Doctors , from ex cons to cops , we have it all , and we are all brought together by this wonderful little bird.
Scott
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fhtfire
1054 posts
Jun 30, 2007
10:09 AM
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God damn Scott....you getting soft....that brought a tear to
my eye...
LOL
rock and ROLL
Paul
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rollerman132
120 posts
Jun 30, 2007
10:11 AM
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Talk about over kill, what do thy expect to find, records of mass BOP killings. I don’t think the NBRC has anything to worry about. In the last ten years I’ve never read anything that indorsed the killing of BOP’s. Starting to sound more and more like a witch hunt to me. What are thy going to do next indict each one of us for something we didn’t do, give me a brake.
Duane
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Electric-man
365 posts
Jun 30, 2007
10:32 AM
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No kidding, Scott! Straighten up, damn it! I'll bring up a color breeding subject if i have too! LOL
Val
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nicksiders
1835 posts
Jun 30, 2007
12:41 PM
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Damn good post Scott and you are right on.....you are starting to sound like a liberal, there is hope for you(LOL).
All kidding aside........some awesome things about the hobby is in that post. I have never met you, but I know you and I consider you a close and honored friend.
Nick
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motherlodelofts
1869 posts
Jun 30, 2007
2:45 PM
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"We on the convention committee are, however, considering a panel discussion at the convention on the subject. Panel members could include a USFWS agent, a falconer, an Audobon Society Representative, state wildlife officials, etc. "
Cliff , this can be very very dangerous , these people will not come in as friends with the situation at hand, and can easily change the context of anything that is said.
This needs to be given a lot of thought by the brightest we have , which is Mr Monson.
Scott
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Missouri-Flyer
675 posts
Jun 30, 2007
3:01 PM
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I agree with Scott,
Until all is settled, I think it "could" be a bad move to invite those that dont see eye to eye with us that raise birds. Their opinions will vary quite differently than ours, and could possibly lead to a situation that you may not have wanted to of provoked by inviting them...Not that there is anything to hide, but at this time, why take a chance?
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1433 posts
Jun 30, 2007
7:15 PM
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Hey Cliff, stack the deck, have only one sit in on a discussion at a time, load the rest with roller people.
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Missouri-Flyer
677 posts
Jun 30, 2007
7:28 PM
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make sure their OUTSPOKEN roller people. Never know, some of ya might scare the hell out of them and they will get up and leave..LOL
I think a debate where the vast majority are pigeon guys will make anyone out side of the hobby feel uncomfortable..Hell, it might change something.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Otis
37 posts
Jun 30, 2007
7:48 PM
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Tony, What were you waiting for? I commend your action plan and hope the EC listens and adopts some if not all of it!
I'd double my dues for that kind of support and protection.
Otis
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Ballrollers
794 posts
Jun 30, 2007
9:53 PM
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I realize that there would be a certain element of risk....we might have to hire bouncers to keep some of these roller guys from strangling the panel members....I might even take down that hangin' noose I am resereving for Scott!! LOL!
On the other hand, there is a great deal to be learned by everyone concerned. By opening and establishing lines of communication they will come to learn that we in this sport are actually bird-lovers, who are concerned about the negative impact BOP are having on the environment, songbirds, gamebirds, and the falconry, roller and racing homer hobbies. And we will learn what constitues harassment....why can't we get a trapping and relocating program established?......why do the local FWS agents tell us to take care of our problem any way we see fit?.....etc.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention. I think we need an NRA member on the panel too!
But I agree with Scott and Jerry. There is potential for the best laid plans to go astray. It could easily get outta hand without the right moderator.....Got anyone in mind?
Cliff
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Newflyer
116 posts
Jul 01, 2007
8:34 AM
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Okay GUYS....enough is enough. How long are we going to beat a DEAD horse. Its a shame that some guys got their proverbal TIT in the ringer. But, lets face the facts here. Shit happeans (as to put it in street terms)The old adage loose lips sink ships. Looks like it came to be.Iam sure you will all agree with me that those few don't speak all of the roller hobbist. Now lets move on. Iam sure we have learned a most valuable lesson here. The BOP are going to be around as long as we are here. Now just deal with it. Enough said from ME......
Paul
Last Edited by on Jul 01, 2007 8:39 AM
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