R.Fuentes
34 posts
Jun 21, 2007
1:26 PM
|
Hi guy's what can be some causes of regurgitation other than when they are feeding young. Is this a sign to worry about maybe this has happened to you all and can share some aspects of what can cause this. I have seen a couple of my birds do this after they have eaten for no apparent reason. My feed is kept air tight in a plastic container and I don't leave any feed out at night. Thank's in advance
R.Fuentes.
|
W@yne
521 posts
Jun 21, 2007
1:45 PM
|
Sometimes young bird sickness does this but need more information to have a chance to diagnose.
----------
Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
=====================================
Last Edited by on Jun 21, 2007 2:10 PM
|
Shaun
501 posts
Jun 21, 2007
2:18 PM
|
A few weeks ago I watched a young bird regurgitate water. It was about 8 weeks old and had seemed fine beforehand. About an hour later it was on the floor dead. No other birds were affected.
Shaun
|
Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1405 posts
Jun 21, 2007
2:21 PM
|
Consider "sour crop"? Sulmet is a product we carry for this. To properly diagnose and treat an illness, consult an avian veterinarian.
----------
FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Check Out Our Pigeon Supply Store
|
W@yne
523 posts
Jun 21, 2007
2:30 PM
|
R.Fuentes
Also it could be worm infestation.
Like i said before you need to give more detailed description of the bird ie Age,Droppings,
look of bird ie puffed up etc etc etc
----------
Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
=====================================
Last Edited by on Jun 21, 2007 2:31 PM
|
MILO
370 posts
Jun 21, 2007
3:28 PM
|
In young it can be worms. This includes mammals. I don't think it is a bad sign in breeders, I've seen them do it on occasion (in the stock pen). I would worry if youngsters are donig it. Almost all my birds will do it on a road trip...LOL
c
|
MILO
371 posts
Jun 21, 2007
3:29 PM
|
Also, make sure they are getting good grit.
c
|
Missouri-Flyer
624 posts
Jun 21, 2007
3:29 PM
|
I have seen my kit birds do this many times over the past few years after they have landed from a hotter summer day..I have NEVER had any side affects due to it, so no concerns here.
----------
Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
|
J_Star
1052 posts
Jun 22, 2007
4:41 AM
|
I agree with Jerry. My birds do the same. But if you are not sure and still skeptical, use Sulmet as Tony suggested.
Jay
Last Edited by on Jun 22, 2007 4:42 AM
|
sundance
132 posts
Jun 22, 2007
7:49 PM
|
Jerry and Jay, I have seen my young kit birds do this, I think at least once, maybe twice. Only after landing from a fly. I have to assume it was maybe after feeding them late the night before and flying them early in the morning. I tend to feed extra to very young birds because I want to be assured that they are not malnurished while developing. I really gave it very little thought at the time as it has happened so rarely and with no after effects.
|
Missouri-Flyer
628 posts
Jun 22, 2007
7:56 PM
|
A few years back, maybe 4, I wanted to be fit and in shape, so I took up running, on top of weight lifting that I have done off and on since high school in the 80's....I remember several times while running between 5 and 7 miles daily that during the heat I would often find myself dry heaving on the curbside somewhere. Some of this I chalked up to not drinking enough, while at other times it was when I ate breakfast a bit before I ran, which in turn made my stomach upset....I relate this to the birds that are chucking up after a fly..They either may be retaining water, or feed still in the crop...Like myself, no bad side affects from it.
----------
Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
|
Richard
2 posts
Jun 24, 2007
8:11 PM
|
your birds have water in the crop when you fly them. That is why they are throwing up.
Rollers are a small bird. 6 to 9 0z. I think a bird can drink one Oz of water at a given time. If you fly them with water in the crop can you wonder what the water does while they are spinning?
Another thing you do not want water in the crop when you fly compatition.
Just food for though
|
Santandercol
1195 posts
Jun 24, 2007
10:39 PM
|
Hey Richard,
Good post.Welcome.
----------
Kelly
|
Richard
3 posts
Jun 25, 2007
6:21 PM
|
you are welcome Santandercol. Just one of the little things to get birds into condition and makes better kit birds out of them. I take the water away the night before fly them, so their crop has not water in it. Just little tricks of the trade.
richard
|
nicksiders
1817 posts
Jun 25, 2007
6:34 PM
|
Welcome Richard. Is it Richard Apadaca?
Nick
----------
Snicker Rollers
|
Missouri-Flyer
644 posts
Jun 25, 2007
6:52 PM
|
I have heard of many that do the same, and have done it myself to see if any difference..Do you also take the water the night before you fly young birds as well?
----------
Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
|
Electric-man
352 posts
Jun 25, 2007
7:02 PM
|
I usually just fly in the late evenings, with this summer heat, the few times that I have taken their water away in the morning, they seem to not want to fly but 5 or 10 minutes and come down looking for water! Should I just be patient and let them condition this rutine!
Val
|
Richard
4 posts
Jun 25, 2007
7:23 PM
|
Several different questions. Yes I have done it with young birds after they start rolling. Missoure-Flyer did you notice any difference?
the temperature makes a lot of difference. All day with out water is way too long in the hot weather. Cooler weather it would be ok. If you need a drink during the day so do they.
When Flying birds late in the evening,you are gambling on loosing them unless you know exactly how long they will fly. I know some have to do this due to work. Flying in a Clear sky, the gamble goes way up.
No wrong Richard
|
Electric-man
355 posts
Jun 25, 2007
7:33 PM
|
Yes, this works with my schedule, and it is cooler! I know its easier for me to exercise once the heat breaks for the evening!
Not bragging, cause I know they could burn me tommorow, but I have tried to keep things very consistant latly and they seem to realy be staying with their pattern. I wasn't gonna start experimenting with their food and water to much until after their first molt. Let me know if this is a good or bad idea, please!
Val
|
Missouri-Flyer
646 posts
Jun 25, 2007
7:38 PM
|
Richard,
The only difference I seen was what Val stated, that they only flew for 15 minutes, versus their usual 25 to 30. I have only taken it away maybe 5 times thru the years, and didnt like the outcome, so I stick by my proven methods.
----------
Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
|
Richard
7 posts
Jun 25, 2007
7:42 PM
|
Missouri Val left them go all day with out water if I remember right. too long in hot weather.
|
Missouri-Flyer
648 posts
Jun 25, 2007
7:44 PM
|
I agree.
My birds have clean water at all times, no matter what the weather..Just the way I do things, right or wrong.
----------
Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
|
Richard
8 posts
Jun 25, 2007
7:45 PM
|
Electman. Being consistant is very important. Changing things can be disasterous. Be ware of the sudden change in temp., when flying in evening. A cooler evening than normal they will want to fly longer.
richard
|
Richard
9 posts
Jun 25, 2007
7:48 PM
|
M-F What I say here is just a suggestion. I don't mean what I say is gospel, just what I have learned over many years of flying rollers and homers.I started flying Homer in 1945
Richard
|
Missouri-Flyer
649 posts
Jun 25, 2007
7:51 PM
|
LOL...none taken to heart Richard..I take all info and discard that, that I choose not to use..I appreciate your responses for all to read...
P.S...Now your telling your age
----------
Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
|
Electric-man
357 posts
Jun 25, 2007
8:52 PM
|
When I say late evening, I mean my first kit, (youngest birds) go up about 6 p.m. and the the second about 7 or so!Doesn't get dark here till close to 9! Guess I just should just say evenings! LOL
Thanks for the response though! I have no one to learn from, just the forums and trial and error! Raised rollers before, just never tried to comp. train them!
|
J_Star
1053 posts
Jun 26, 2007
5:13 AM
|
I personally don’t like to take the water away from them because always been disastrous to me. When I take the water away from my birds the night before, my birds won't fly more than 10 min and won't fly higher than the tree tops. Even the birds with excellent control become sluggish and dangerous. But take the water couple of hours before flying them and that would make a big difference.
Jay
|
Electric-man
358 posts
Jun 26, 2007
5:27 AM
|
I agree with you Jay! Thats the only thing that would work here!
By the way guys,I never took their water away when it was real hot, I did it a few times back when it was back in the low to mid 80s!
I was born at night, but not last night! LOL
Val
|
Richard
10 posts
Jun 26, 2007
9:38 AM
|
All of these were JUST suggestions. Never meant to imply anyone was dumb. See you all around sometime.
Richard
|
Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1409 posts
Jun 26, 2007
9:41 AM
|
Hey Richard, thanks for joining us and offering to help answer questions. Look forward to your regular participation if you are able.
----------
FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Check Out Our Pigeon Supply Store
|
J_Star
1054 posts
Jun 26, 2007
10:56 AM
|
Welcome to the site Richard. By the way, is your last name Miller and from Attica, Ohio? Thanks.
In the past people suggested to others to take the water away the night before when they participated in FF. Some came back to report it was a big mistake while others worked for them. It is hard to say whether it will work or not based on few factors such as the region you live in (hot, humid, cool..etc) and feeding behavior and maybe the family of birds. Or it could be that day was different than other days which effected their flying behavior.
Jay
Last Edited by on Jun 26, 2007 11:02 AM
|
Richard
12 posts
Jun 26, 2007
12:19 PM
|
Jay Yes
Also I have been doing the water thing for years . I have more control over the birds this way also. Such as flying time
richard
|
Electric-man
359 posts
Jun 26, 2007
2:40 PM
|
I didn't, at all, take anything as an implication. Hard to show expression over this damn keyboard, and things get taken wrong sometimes! LOL
Personally, I'm glad your here Richard!
Like Jay said, I got this idea back on previous posts. Tried it a couple of times, but since I don't fly until the next evening, and it is getting hot, and my birds are young, I decided to just be consistant with what I was doing until they are matured a little more!
You guys that take the water away the night before and have success, is it because you fly early the next day! Maybe thats the factor thats not being brought up and the confusion is starting! My schedule won't allow me ability to have a consistant fly time in the mornings!
Its not because I can't get out of bed early either, its cause when I work daylights every other week, I clock in at 5:15 A.m.! Can't get the sun to cooperate! LOL
Val
|
bman
304 posts
Jun 27, 2007
7:07 AM
|
Hello Richard,
Nice to see another buckeye here.I beleive we have a mutual friend......Scotty Rice.
----------
Ron
Borderline lofts
|
Richard
13 posts
Jun 27, 2007
4:34 PM
|
I don't know how far i would go with that Bman Can't place you. Ya Scotty is alright most of the time.
|
bman
307 posts
Jun 27, 2007
5:45 PM
|
Richard,
Maybe I mis-spoke. Scotty stopped by for a brief visit here last fall. Said he was on his way to see you.
No you and I have never met.By the way its Ron Bieterman from the Youngstown area nice to meet you.
----------
Ron
Borderline lofts
|
Richard
15 posts
Jun 27, 2007
7:34 PM
|
No Scotty is good friend. Maybe some day will meet you. I will be unable to make the get together in Akron.
richard
|
bman
308 posts
Jun 28, 2007
3:47 AM
|
I'm sorry to hear you can't make it.Hopefully another time.
----------
Ron
Borderline lofts
|
kopetsa
1791 posts
Oct 14, 2008
2:39 PM
|
Also when you switch food, they can do this. Also they can do this under stressful situations. Or in bumpy rides like in a car to a bird show.. :(
----------
Andrew
|