parlorfancier916
310 posts
Jul 04, 2007
3:03 PM
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finally have internet so I'm back in the forums now, but since I've been away I've been busy reading about these rollers called kit masters, now i'm not sure of what a kit master is and all so what is it? What I am trying to say is, how do you identify a kit master? is it a trigger bird?
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Missouri-Flyer
684 posts
Jul 04, 2007
4:39 PM
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you are correct.
A kit master/trigger bird is one that flies towards the front, flapping his wings together, while waving a pair of handcuffs for all to see, while saying "Now ladies and gentlemen, when you see me having an uncontrollable seizure, I want you all to follow suit. If not, then thats what these here leg bands are for".
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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parlorfancier916
312 posts
Jul 04, 2007
6:14 PM
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so would you breed from this bird or one that follows this bird? I mean if Kit masters/trigger birds roll by their own will wouldn't that mean we get a more individual performing kit or no? if we breed from the kitmasters
Last Edited by on Jul 04, 2007 6:15 PM
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belle
262 posts
Jul 04, 2007
7:47 PM
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Hey parlor, hows it? I like the ? you asked
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parlorfancier916
313 posts
Jul 04, 2007
9:56 PM
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what I meant to say was, would you guys breed from a pair of trigger birds or from the birds that fly in the middle the kit and follows the trigger birds?
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Hector Coya
173 posts
Jul 04, 2007
10:03 PM
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Just breed from the best.
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parlorfancier916
314 posts
Jul 04, 2007
10:21 PM
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I'm not sure what best is anymore, I mean I would have 2 options, breeder from good kitting birds or breed from trigger birds.. confusing for me..
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Electric-man
376 posts
Jul 04, 2007
10:46 PM
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Welcome back Parlor! I imagine everyone is busy with family and friends tonight being the 4th. I'm sure you'll get some good answers tommorrow! I too have never considered this idea! Good question!
Val
Last Edited by on Jul 04, 2007 10:47 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
687 posts
Jul 05, 2007
9:19 AM
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Best to best is different to most people. best to best for some might be rolling ability only, while others might see rolling and kitting as best, while others might look at the whole package including quality,depth,how it comes out of the roll,etc...
With that said, best to best will only be from the birds in YOUR loft. A trigger bird isnt something that your going to breed for. Your goal should be to breed for the total package from what you have to work with.
If your birds are of poor form and quality, then your best to best might not show anything close to the total package.
Your birds will perform without a trigger bird. There are those that have bred and flown such birds with great success, but your kit will do well, if they are from good quality breeders.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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parlorfancier916
316 posts
Jul 05, 2007
10:00 AM
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well I guess lol, in terms of depth I have birds that can balance eachother out but velocity is the main thing for me. Maybe I should breed from the middle kit birds huh?
Last Edited by on Jul 05, 2007 10:02 AM
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Hector Coya
174 posts
Jul 05, 2007
11:28 AM
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Parlor
do your birds actualy stay in the same formation that you know which are your middle birds, Ive been breeding for 35 years and the only bird i know where they fly are the too frequent onece they are alway falling behind.
hector c
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Missouri-Flyer
690 posts
Jul 05, 2007
1:49 PM
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Parlor,
unless you have bred the same family for years, and are aiming to breed for a specific trait, then I would continue to breed what ya have, and just cull the ones that aren't cutting the mustard. You could possibly use the culls for fosters instead of discarding them, if you need fosters. You could then pump out more to see where ya stand.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Velo99
1204 posts
Jul 05, 2007
2:50 PM
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Hey PF,
Usually as the kit progresses one of the birds will step up into the role of leader. Sometimes you might have more than one trigger bird in a kit which can lead to good and bad things.
The kit might start waterfalling from being confused on who to follow.
The trigger birds could develop a pattern of working together and producing more breaks. Sometimes the triggers will switch out which usually leads to a longer period of time the kit actually works because the trigger isn`t frazzled from leading.Lots of things happen if you watch closely.
As a rule,as has been stated,just breed the birds with the whole package or as close as you can get to it.
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V99
Flippin`The Bird!
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
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