W@yne
558 posts
Jul 10, 2007
2:09 PM
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Just a quick update so far from England I went to watch Lana Howarths kit fly in WC. The kit was elevated in very windy conditions and was hampered by out birds that knocked the kit a lot i think she lost 8 breaks due to this but scored 20 plus breaks. Total score 600 plus don't know the plus.
Also Dave Moseley scored 671 i think total yesterday a kit that was lacking frequency on this day but a great quality kit of birds (best so far i was told).
picture from tonight's fly.
FROM LEFT TO RIGHT
Wayne Grove, Ste Buck, Dave Moseley, Norman Howarth, Paul Noon, Lana Howarth, The Judge Brian, Dont know the last guys name.
PS I am going to get there in the end with this camera picture taking still not 100% but a bit bette.
Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Last Edited by on Jul 10, 2007 2:13 PM
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Skylineloft
74 posts
Jul 10, 2007
2:26 PM
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W@yne,
Thanks for the update.
Great looking countryside there.
Ray
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nicksiders
1867 posts
Jul 10, 2007
3:38 PM
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I am sure everyone was routing for Lana(LOL)
I ejoyed the pics, Wayne.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
75 posts
Jul 10, 2007
4:28 PM
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Hi Wayne nice pics....
good crowd..
ps... not blurry neither.lol
RUDY
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dave
335 posts
Jul 10, 2007
10:19 PM
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Thanks for the picture Wayne. Much better this time, lol.
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Shaun
510 posts
Jul 10, 2007
11:40 PM
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What was the location, Wayne? I see some nice stone-built property there. Reminds me of Northumberland, but I'm sure it's not. And nice to see a photo that isn't blurred or lopsided - and as you're in it, clearly you didn't take it!
A word or two for Steve: Back in 2005, when George Mason rattled off a list of his pair numbers which my 25 youngsters were from, he made the throwaway comment that one of them - a red checquer - was from someone else. At the time, I couldn't fathom why this should be, but it didn't seem important. Looking back at the notes I made that day, I see that the breeding pair concerned was from Stephen Buckley. Care to elaborate, Steve?
Shaun
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W@yne
559 posts
Jul 11, 2007
9:07 AM
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Shaun.
The place where Lana and Norman live is a place called Accrington in Lancashire. You must of heard of the famous Acrington Stanley football club lol. Yes Shaun my 11 year old daughter took the pics from my camera
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Last Edited by on Jul 11, 2007 9:10 AM
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stiff
18 posts
Jul 11, 2007
10:31 AM
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Hey wayne it is good to see your pic now we know how you look, Hey your daughter takes better pics than you LOL. GlassG
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Steve_uk
201 posts
Jul 11, 2007
12:28 PM
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Shaun Yes i wasnt breeding that year so i lent goerge my best pair of birds just to try they are both directly out of he's family and excellent birds did the young turn out any good?
Steve...
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Shaun
511 posts
Jul 11, 2007
1:58 PM
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Yeah, Wayne, I'm familiar with that part of the world, with trips to Blackpool from when I lived in Newcastle.
Steve, I waited many months for all the youngsters which George had supplied me with to mature. I didn't fly them, but bred from them as soon as they were able. There was just the one cock bird from your pair and his offspring are still under evaluation. None so far have stood out, but neither have any needed culling, nor have they rolled down.
Actually, when all the birds George supplied me with had matured, there was quite an imbalance between cocks and hens. I only had 8 cocks from 25 in total, so I've had to swap the hens around to give them all a turn.
This is something which might interest you, Steve, as you know George's breeders. I go to the far end of a fart with my roller statistics, logging pretty much everything, in terms of fly times, performance, what I'm feeding them, etc. This past couple of days, I came to realise that I had to separate the kits into various levels of quality, from non-rollers, but which are otherwise untroublesome, right up to the select few which give me a hard-on. I had about 30 rollers to work through and I let them out in batches of half a dozen at a time, trying to keep different colours and patterns apart, so I could see which was which. When I'd separated all these 2006 birds down into their various performance categories, I had 7 birds which I considered excellent rollers. It transpires that 4 of those were from one particular cock, and he'd never been flown. He was from George's pair no. 8.
Shaun
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Steve_uk
203 posts
Jul 11, 2007
2:24 PM
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Shaun give me the ring numbers of pr 8 and i'll tell you what i no i'm quite good with goerges numbers.
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Missouri-Flyer
743 posts
Jul 11, 2007
4:34 PM
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Shaun,
Just remember when doing it this way, that they wont fly the same tomorrow as they did today, or yesterday, etc.. Just because 1 was good today, might make him suck tomorrow...Just my input.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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classicpony
247 posts
Jul 11, 2007
5:26 PM
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Good pix! I can tell there are no gangsters in that bad boy crowd :)
Jim
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motherlodelofts
1888 posts
Jul 11, 2007
8:42 PM
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Hey Wayne from now on lets continue letting your daughter take the pics LOL
Is that a tan I spot on that Englishwoman ? she'pretty,
you, Bucky and Dave could use some help though LOL
Scott
Last Edited by on Jul 11, 2007 8:46 PM
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Shaun
512 posts
Jul 11, 2007
10:59 PM
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Steve, George didn't give me any of his breeder ring numbers, just the pairs. I think you should tell him that when he pops off, to remember to have written beforehand under the feet of pair no. 8 "for Shaun".
Shaun
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Shaun
513 posts
Jul 11, 2007
11:14 PM
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Sorry, Jerry, you've lost me there. I've been watching these birds for a year now and I've been aware of a select number of excellent performers, day in, day out. However, it's often difficult to see which bird is which. By releasing them in small batches, I've been able to observe which ones are rolling properly, plus those which have a dishrag roll and others which are stiffs. I've made up a cull kit of the worst ones, a B kit of the ones in the middle and an A kit of the best ones. I've let them all out a number of times since and nothing has changed.
I don't have any birds which roll badly one day, then very well the next, or vice versa. Where performance differs from one day to the next, is not so much about individual bird differences, but the whole kit. It might be on the stiff side, or is flying too low, or too fast, or wanting to come down early.
However, I should have separated the various qualities out ages ago. Having non-rollers flying in a kit of good rollers isn't the way forward.
Shaun
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