Tony Chavarria
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1451 posts
Jul 11, 2007
7:29 AM
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I want to slow down my kits even more, 100% wheat helps some but is there a specific grain or combo that will do the trick?
The reason I ask is I observe them in the loose figure eight pattern and as they begin changing directions, you can see many that want to bust but their airspeed causes them to fly through it.
I can tell it also cause some to roll more shallow than normal because its like they don't want to get too far from the kit so they hurry up and do it.
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Last Edited by on Jul 11, 2007 7:34 AM
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nicksiders
1871 posts
Jul 11, 2007
7:41 AM
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I can get mine slower and lower with the 50/50 wheat and milo. I also have to decrease the volume sometimes. The more I feed them the faster they go....cut back just a little for 3 to 5 days. If they ain't where you want them to be; cut back a little more.
Keep in mind they will require less food in the warm months of the year, so what you where feeding them in the spring may be too much now. You then will have to make adjustments this fall and again in the winter.
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BigRiverRollerLofts
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Tony Chavarria
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1453 posts
Jul 11, 2007
7:54 AM
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Thanks Kelly and Nick! Now Nick, what I don't want is them to fly low, they tend to do a bit better at about what I figure to be about 500 to 600 feet. I would like them to stay there if possible.
Do you find your birds going lower than that on this 50/50 ration?
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nicksiders
1873 posts
Jul 11, 2007
8:04 AM
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Well, what I mean by lower is that they come back down from nearly out of site to about 400 feet.
Nick
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Missouri-Flyer
739 posts
Jul 11, 2007
8:32 AM
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Tony,
Is wing beat in roller as dominate a factor as high flying in certain families? Could it be that the faster wing beat is heridetary, and comes with YOUR family? Or, is this a new issue?
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Jerry
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fhtfire
1057 posts
Jul 11, 2007
8:52 AM
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Tony,
I use 50/50 wheat and milo to slow them down....I find that with my birds...and those are some of yours..LOL...the only time that they fly low is when I cut the feed to much...I adjust how high the birds fly by how much feed to give them...but the 50/50 wheat and milo really slows them down...but if you give them wheat and milo to long...they get a little weak and then you lose the speed and quality....So I usually Feed them a full ration of my secret recipe after they fly....the rest wheat milo...rest wheat milo..cutting the rations everytime...they usually have a good wing beat and a good over all height...the speed and quality seems to stay..because the mix is still in there system....anyway...that is all I have.
As for this time of year...my birds are getting mostly mix to get them through the moult...they actually are flying real fast and high..but I really don't care at this time until they are through the moult.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Richard
26 posts
Jul 11, 2007
10:04 AM
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Tony wrote
I want to slow down my kits even more, 100% wheat helps some but is there a specific grain or combo that will do the trick?
The reason I ask is I observe them in the loose figure eight pattern and as they begin changing directions, you can see many that want to bust but their airspeed causes them to fly through it.
I can tell it also cause some to roll more shallow than normal because its like they don't want to get too far from the kit so they hurry up and do it.
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Tony
It is all about what is in each grain of feed and a some to do with your family of birds. First off one must learn his or her family of birds. What works for one family might not work the exact same for another, but the different feeds will work almost the same on all famlies. Each family is different and that is why most of those who have several different famlies have problems. I know every one wants to make his own family, be a star so people will remember him for every. Well Penson did not have his own family but he was the execption to the rule. Not many are.
Learn what each individual grain,s make up is. After you learn that then learn what affect POTEIN and CARBOHYDRATES and the other the ingreadents affect the preformance of the roller. Now you can figure out what grains make them fly faster, slower, roll more, roll less, roll with quality and roll sloppy, fly highter and or fly lower. I could give you this information but once you look it up and study the gains you will not forget.
The same thing works with birds flying too low or too high.
Don't forget the condition they are in at a perticular time you change feeds. Condition with right feed is what make them do what you want. What you do with or to the birds will show up in the air.
YOU ARE IN THE DRIVERS SEAT, the birds don't control their destiny, YOU DO.
One last thing, YOU ONLY GET OUT WHAT YOU PUT INTO THE BIRDS. It take lot of work to get the roller rolling right.
Start with a QUALITY family. Don't start with new family if things don't go right after several months, as that time will be lost. Pay your dues and you will put up a respectiful kit of birds.
Good luck with the birds. Hope this helped.
Richard
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1439 posts
Jul 11, 2007
10:23 AM
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Besides the good comments above, my friends who have the old school Pensom stuff have to cut their birds with milo to get them to slow down. They are just a fast-er flying family that can be real jittery.
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Richard
30 posts
Jul 11, 2007
11:19 AM
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answer to Message above
I am thinking they are a bigger long cast bird and I am sure they want to fly fast. Milo will do the trick. Do they have to break them down to make them roll? Each family is different as I mentioned but what you feed them makes the different. Some famlies naturally want to roll and other have to be broken down to roll.
Richard
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1442 posts
Jul 11, 2007
11:49 AM
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Richard, those guys have the old school, fast flying, bent wing, vibrant eye Pensom stuff. It seems the milo is about the only thing that breaks them down enough to make them fly slow so they will perform. My good friend Van Copple had to do this for a week or two leading up to a fly, and often they still flew fast. I have several friends of almost legendary status which have the same problem with their birds.
I had those kinds of birds before and it drove me nuts. Got rid of them and kept the families that naturally fly slow, butterfly patterns, don't want to sky out and aren't super-jittery. You can't feed my birds straight milo for more than a day.
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wishiwon2
12 posts
Jul 12, 2007
2:22 PM
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Barley works for me too, so does peas in short term (less than 5 days conscutive). Typicaly takes 2-3 days for my birds to show results from changes in their diet.
Ive tried lots of experiments over the yrs on my birds to see what effects different grains and fly schedules have. 7 yrs later ... i still dont know much, but I have an idea where to start with them now.
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