Richard
33 posts
Jul 18, 2007
6:56 PM
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To fly a quality kit? Starting with the birds and then how to manage them. I know there are a lot of good flyers out there. Lets help the beginner.
Richard
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Donny James
4 posts
Jul 18, 2007
7:59 PM
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hay richard,
what kind of kit you look at a 11 bird or a 20 bird kit i flown both i trained them the same way build them up slowy bring them down is that what your looking for????????donny james
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nicksiders
1891 posts
Jul 18, 2007
8:51 PM
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1. Before you take on any birds be properly set up.
2. Find a family or strain that you are satisfied with
3. Listen, read, study, and learn all you can about the breeding and training of the Birmingham Roller.
4. Put a plan into effect based on what you have read, listened, studied, and learned about the breeding and training of the Birmingham Roller.
5. Always stick to your plan. You will make small modifications to the plan, but you must stick with it. Don't be jumping ship of the plan due to a few setbacks or because some one else has a different plan.
6. Make sure your plan accomplishes the following:
A. Loft is always dry(weather proof) and secure from pests and peditors
B. The feed is always kept dry
C. Lofts are frequently cleaned
D. Lofts are kept neat and orderly(no clutter)
E. Feed is of good quality and gives the birds both breeders and flyers the proper nurishment.
F. Clean fresh water is always available to all birds
G. Maintain feeding schedules
H. Maintain flying schedules
I. Always have grit available to your breeders. Make sure your flyers get some now and then.
J. Have the basic health care items available (i.e. Apple cider vineger; vitamins; minerals; an antibiotic; mite treatment.
K. Don't medicate healthy birds; learn to prevent deseases with proper care.
L. Handle your birds often. You learn a lot about your birds condition in the hand.
M. Watch them closely and learn to recognize character; intelligence.
It is all about disciplin. If you are not disciplined; don't have birds. Do not use the birds to train youself on how to be disciplined. Get that way before you take them on.
Developed a regiment as part of your plan and stick to it everyday; day in and day out. Know what you are looking for in thier performance; understand what a true performing Birmingham Roller is suposed to be and breed for it. Understand that your breeders hold the key to succeeding and learn how to properly select them.
If you are going to compete make sure you understand what is scorable; what the rules are; and what the schedule is.
If performance is what you desire then breed for it. You cannot breed for color and performance both and be successful at either one. If color and markings is what you want, then chose another breed that gives you that.
In closing I am sure that I missed a hell of a lot of things and some of them are important I am sure, but this will get a new person started. Too many times I see new people getting into birds before they even have a place to put them. Go visit other flyers and check out thier set up and then get set up before you even get birds. While you are preparing to recieve them learn all you can and begin to develope a plan.
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Nick
Last Edited by on Jul 18, 2007 10:39 PM
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nicksiders
1893 posts
Jul 19, 2007
9:28 AM
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Raising and flying Rollers is not an art form; it is a disciplin.
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Nick
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bman
331 posts
Jul 20, 2007
5:07 AM
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No disrespect for anyone answers but I expected more from this thread.I would like to see some "nuts and bolts" answers to "flying a quality kit".
1) Building a kit........bird selection?
2) Bird removal........other than the obvious flaws,non-kitting etc.
3) Your opinion;management vs. breeding loft
4) What are you looking at when just flying.......not prepping for comp just exercising on a daily basis?
5) What is the heart of your kit made up of.........
Promising young birds,old reliable ones......10ft 20ft
one a minute etc.
For example: which would you choose a 15ft once a minute
better than avg roller or a 30ft burner that is less frequent and maybe a little slow re-kitting.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1457 posts
Jul 20, 2007
7:54 AM
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1) Building a kit........bird selection?
Build off of what I have. Always have an A team and I always am moving birds in or out. I don't "build" a team. The foundation is already there with the previous A team birds, some will be replaced with younger, better birds when the time comes.
2) Bird removal........other than the obvious flaws,non-kitting etc.
No kitters don't make it here so they wouldn't be in the A team. If I remove a bird it is usually because it has become stiffer than the rest.
3) Your opinion;management vs. breeding loft
Both, neglect either one and you will not succeed.
4) What are you looking at when just flying.......not prepping for comp just exercising on a daily basis?
Consistency.
5) What is the heart of your kit made up of.........
Promising young birds,old reliable ones......10ft 20ft
one a minute etc.
Birds of all ages, youngest was 5 months, oldest was 5 years. They are put away until fall. And when fall comes, possibly 5-10 will be replaced with more frequent young birds.
For example: which would you choose a 15ft once a minute
better than avg roller or a 30ft burner that is less frequent and maybe a little slow re-kitting.
Depends on my needs and if I have a better bird in another kit, then I will replace the most stiff one in the kit. I don't regard depth as a decision maker.
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bman
335 posts
Jul 20, 2007
10:36 AM
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Thanks Brian,
I think the one word that jumps out is "consistency"
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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nicksiders
1903 posts
Jul 20, 2007
6:47 PM
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Ron,
I think the new guy has a lot more to do before he gets envolved in developing a kit and deciding what his kit mixture is; how many breaks he is looking for per minute and etc. Hell, that what the old or experienced flyers do(LOL).
One thing I would tell him that he should never fly a kit just for exercise. He needs to have a plan of what he is looking to accomplish before each flight, but that too may be something to think about after the nuts....and bolts. Gotta first have the barn to put the horse into and then make sure the horse is on the right side of the wagon(LOL).
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Nick
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JMUrbon
280 posts
Jul 20, 2007
7:35 PM
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There should always be room for improvement in a kit. The best kits will always have birds that are "fillers". I have built alot of good kits over the years but to choose a kit bird you need to look more at the birds teamwork abilities rather than how well it performs. Some of the best spinners out there will never make it in a kit due to the stamina issue that is required in the rollers we see today. I am not saying that you won't see some great birds in the kits around the country but what you don't see is the trails and errors that went into building them. I feel that much over 30 feet is very difficult to control with more than 6-8 birds at that depth. You always have to have birds in a kit that give the deeper birds something to come back to otherwise you end up with a bunch of out birds looking for the kit.
I personally dont pay to much attention to the age of the bird so long as it is able to hold itself together for a good hour in the air. I dont believe in training a kit to fly 20-30 minutes due to seeing far too many kits DQ over the years because of this same type of thing. If a kit is going to work for you then they should be able to perform for a good hour without flattening out to much. Also when you finally get a kit that is working well for you then you need to pay close attention to them and handle them often because they can and will turn to shit in a hurry if you don't pay attention to them. When they start lifting on you and loosening in their roll then you need to plump them up and begin breaking them down again. Way to many good kits are flown off every year because the birds were just to bouyant and in need of a little fat on their bones. I see it all the time where somebody cuts the feed in order to bring their kit down because they are skying out when all they are really doing is adding to the problem.
If I could only give 1 piece of advice to the beginner though it would be to build your stock loft befor you build your kit. You cant breed from it if it is dead. When you see a bird doing it and doing it rite don't be afraid to pull it and try it in the stock loft. Some of the best stock birds were found on accident. Remember you can always put it back in the air. This is especially true for those of you that have limited pairs from another breeder that you never flew out. Don't just automatically assume that they are your stock birds. In order to build a stock loft you are proud of you need to see them all in the air. Well I have rambled on enough. Good luck, Joe Urbon
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J.M.Urbon Lofts
A Proven Family of Spinners
http://www.freewebs.com/jmurbonlofts/
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Donny James
7 posts
Jul 20, 2007
8:20 PM
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hay richard and list,
i see where this is going lol all it comes down to this after established your family of birds you control the birds with the feed can you can make them look like a champion or you can look really bad..........
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