kcfirl
141 posts
Jul 20, 2007
9:25 AM
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Hi guys,
Fox news came up and interviewed me this morning and shot some kits flying at my place. The piece is really about why I love these birds and what they are, etc. There were a few questions about hawks and luckily(unluckily) 3 Coopers showed up. One chased a bird but didn'jt get it.
Anyway, this should be on the Fox national news in your area between 4-5 pm local time tomorrow, Sat July 21st if you want to watch (or record).
Hopefully it will come out well and show our side of the story.
Regards,
Ken Firl
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1459 posts
Jul 20, 2007
9:29 AM
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AWESOME KEN!!! I will tape it and hope we see some informative and factual news. "FAIR AND BALANCED"!
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Electric-man
414 posts
Jul 20, 2007
9:32 AM
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You the man, Ken! This could be a great benefit, depending how they word things! I will definatly try to catch it! Maybe a blessing!
Val
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Hayseedboy
36 posts
Jul 20, 2007
10:03 AM
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That is Awesome!!!!! Sure would be kewl if you could find the link to that story online and show it here.... did they tell you anything about whether or not it would be on the web?
Kewlness!
lr
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W@yne
573 posts
Jul 20, 2007
10:37 AM
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Hope you guys can get us a link to watch it over in UK sure would like to see it.
Great job Ken.
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W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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kcfirl
142 posts
Jul 20, 2007
10:53 AM
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Thanks guys.
As soon as I get a weblink, I'll share it. It should be on the Fox site by sunday or so.
Ken
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parlorfancier916
335 posts
Jul 20, 2007
1:19 PM
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I'm going to go to work can someone tape it and put it on youtube or something, thanks man would totally appreciate it if any of you guys do...
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nicksiders
1901 posts
Jul 20, 2007
2:11 PM
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Ken,
I am glad they choose you and not some off the wall, jerk. Looking forward to it.
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Nick
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Pali View Lofts
29 posts
Jul 20, 2007
5:16 PM
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Nick,
How do you know that kcfirl is not some "off the wall..."
smile....nah....wtg kcfirl.
PVL
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JMUrbon
279 posts
Jul 20, 2007
6:15 PM
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That is great to hear Ken, I look forward to seeing it. Joe
PS. Email me privately please.
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A Proven Family of Spinners
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Last Edited by on Jul 20, 2007 6:16 PM
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Santandercol
1250 posts
Jul 20, 2007
11:11 PM
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Ken,
How did you get them to come to your place??I'd like to do the same with the news station up here on Vancouver Island.
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Kelly
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kcfirl
144 posts
Jul 21, 2007
6:48 AM
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Kelley,
they called and wanted to do a story. You might call the local station and offer to show your side of the story.
Ken
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R.Fuentes
35 posts
Jul 21, 2007
5:33 PM
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Ken, thanks for returning my phone call. I just finished watching the aired Fox News clip on your rollers, good job. R.Fuentes.
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Steve_uk
205 posts
Jul 22, 2007
11:28 AM
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Get the vid up.
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Mongrel Lofts
301 posts
Jul 22, 2007
11:34 AM
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Hi Ken,
Please share with us how the piece went. Do you think Fox news really supported and gave our side of the story about the Birmingham roller? I think everyone needs to know what they are in store for, if they trust the media to give them a fare shake. Did fox do what you expected? Did they put the hobby in a good light? Please let everyone know how this was handled, so they can proceed with eye's wide open,, Thanks, KGB
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Missouri-Flyer
761 posts
Jul 22, 2007
7:49 PM
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I didnt get the chance to catch the show..is it going to be re-cast anytime?
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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kcfirl
145 posts
Jul 22, 2007
7:49 PM
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Hi guys,
I thnk they showed a guy with his rollers and thry showed the FWS spouting off. did they show it the way I would have, no, I had no idea they would cut in with FWS but I'm not surprised.
One needs to be very careful in dealing with the press and I was well prepped. I was clear that I wanted the story to be about the sport and not about hawks. I don;t think they did what we agreed. I was prepared with answers before hand to answer any question they could have asked without doing damage. My work with the press at work and especially Chuck Roe's coaching were key.
Heck, I had three Coopers flying around my house and even went after a bird but they didn;t show that. I told them I love hawks and think they're cool but don;t like the ones responsible for the 30 or 40 birds I loose some years. I told them I quit flying in the winter when they are thick.
Most of what I gave them they didn't show. They did at least show a short clip describing why I like the birds a bit and showed that we are not all blood thirsty hawk assasins.
All in all, I would call it a draw.
The one thing I think we're doing wrong is not organizing a counter argument through legal means to push the issue back to the FWS. We should be documenting hawk attacks across the organization and going to the FWS with data.
We all know how many Coopers there are (moderated), yet we sit quietly with our thimbs in our mouths. That's just not me.
Ken
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kcfirl
147 posts
Jul 24, 2007
9:49 AM
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Doua,
I don't understand your comment. Please explain.
Ken
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Ballrollers
806 posts
Jul 24, 2007
10:04 AM
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List,
Everyone in the sport needs to refrain from any contact with the media at this point in time. It doesn't matter how well you present the positive side of the hobby in your naiive zeal to do good. The media will spin it as they wish, as they did in this case...and we all know that negative spin makes for better press....at least in somebody's eyes. No news is the best news at this point. Dealing with the new media is not for rank amateurs.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Jul 24, 2007 10:05 AM
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kcfirl
148 posts
Jul 24, 2007
11:25 AM
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Cliff,
you have no authority on this topic. I agree that most folks should stay away from the media on this topic, but you have no business tellimg me who I can talk to.
Ken
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J_Star
1088 posts
Jul 24, 2007
11:54 AM
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Ken, I don't see any where in Cliff's post telling you that you can't do anything or speak to any one. He was referencing his post to the general audience. Maybe me, but I start not to like your attitude. You act like you are after everyone that doesn’t agree with your way of thinking. Chill dude...
Jay
Site Moderator
Last Edited by on Jul 24, 2007 11:55 AM
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nicksiders
1917 posts
Jul 24, 2007
12:33 PM
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I am fasinated by the phrase "rank amateurs". When something is "rank" I have always thought of the term "stinking"......"stinking amatuers"?. Is it rank as in ranked...giving position or value? "Amatuer" meaning not professional; not of quality; not achieving a value level; not paid, maybe....?
"the media is not for rank amatuers".....
I am just fasinated by the phrase or term "rank amatuers". Is anyone else? I think I know what is being said in my mind when I hear it, but it can mean something else in someone elses mind. The meaning will also changed based on who is delivering the message and also in what context; in what tone. Words are....uh strangely powerful. Change the wording around and even though the same words are used, the meaning will be totally different. My wife when we first married often said that she married a "damn Greek god", but after being married for several years she would say that she married a "god damn Greek".......same words, different meaning. It never offended me because of who it came from......now if someone else was to say it I may have become offended.
Weird, ain't it......the phrase "rank amatuer"?
I am weird, ain't I
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Nick
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Ballrollers
808 posts
Jul 24, 2007
1:15 PM
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Don't take it personal, Ken. I am including most all of us when I am speaking about being rank amateurs when it comes to dealing with the media. A few of us may qualify based on their professions and experience, but they are very few in our hobby that do, I presume. No, I am not an authority, but I have personal painful experience in the media conducting interviews that they twist into the exact opposite meaning that was intended. The media will chew us up and spit us out using our own words. You are absolutely correct. I do not presume to tell you or anyone who to talk to. But anyone who cares about the NBRC and the hobby ought to see the wisdom in refraining in the future.
Cliff
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1471 posts
Jul 24, 2007
1:58 PM
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Hey Cliff, I understand what you mean, SOOOO, as a club member, I want to spend some of that surplus $30,000 to $35,000 to hire a public relations firm and start putting out a professionally produced positive spin on our hobby.
I don't think this money is budgeted for anything is it, so would there be a problem in doing this?
If we can't use this money to help save our club, what is it good for?
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kcfirl
149 posts
Jul 24, 2007
3:57 PM
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J star,
kick me off then. No problem here.
Ken Firl
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1472 posts
Jul 24, 2007
4:21 PM
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Hey Ken, you're not going anywhere.
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kcfirl
150 posts
Jul 24, 2007
4:52 PM
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Thanks Tony. I prefer to stay on the site but understand if my viewpoint is too far out of the mainstream of roller guy thinking as to prove abrasive.
Actually, I hope my thinking is different than the mainstream. We need a different approach. We can't hide under a rock or I fear that as raptor populations grow, and public perception of us is nonexistent or worse, we will lose our sport completely or at least in huge areas of the country.
My personal opinion is that we need a proactive plan to move into the light and work with FWS or we will lose the sport we love.
Regards,
Ken Firl
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nicksiders
1924 posts
Jul 24, 2007
5:12 PM
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Damn Ken, you are one of the good guys. Nobody is going to boot you here. If I can survive with my smart-ass attitude you can survive(LOL)
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Nick
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kcfirl
151 posts
Jul 24, 2007
5:48 PM
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Cliff,
I resent your insinuation that I don;t care about the NBRC. Ask our pr4esident if I care.
I am one of those who in your words:
"But anyone who cares about the NBRC and the hobby ought to see the wisdom in refraining."
I was an NBRC RD for 5 years appointed by Don Ouellete and elected for two additional terms. I spoke with NBRC management prior to the interview and received no advice not to do it.
If you have an issue with anything I am doing I appreciate your input and will consider it, but please contact me directly and quit throwing your opinion out as if it was NBRC policy.
I'm done discussing this in this forum. Please do the same and contact me if you have anything else to day.
Thanks,
Ken
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Ballrollers
810 posts
Jul 24, 2007
6:42 PM
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Ken,
No personal insinuation intended...sorry you took it that way. I am curious, though, about who you spoke with in "NBRC management"that you believe gave you the go ahead. And my personal opinons posted on roller sites DEFINITLEY not represent NBRC policy, and I do not mean to imply that they do. I have no issue with you, Ken. Relax. I know your intentions were honorable.
Tony,
There are several good ways to use our funds in order to improve our situation. I think you have a great idea with the marketing angle. (Remember my "Great Threat" blog?)We also have a resource in an expert who is willing to conduct a study on the populations of raptors and their impact. That would be another wise expenditure of our funds. And now would be a good time to rally the membership around a plan of action. But so far, nobody upstairs is entertaining any action plans of any sort. I don't espect any action until the NBRC conspiracy issue is resolved, and until the men charged have their day in court.
JMHO,
Cliff
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donut*hole*spinner
1 post
Jul 28, 2007
2:37 AM
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"amateur" pigeon man that's me, i'm new to this forum and i think it's great. i have,and have had roller's off and on since i was 13 year's or so. for many reason's in life, out of (my)your control, some times you have to get rid of them, or people steal them from you. and then you have to start over. and then you wish you had that prized bird in your loft, that you owned year's before. in my amateur pigeon career, i have met many great pigeon men, and some of them have been as young as 12 year's old, and they know a great deal about the pigeon, and have a small lofts: a couple cages! but what impresses me is that this damn amateurs. is they have one thing in common, "they love there birds"! and that's what matter's.
i see nbrc as pigeon goverment, we need good leadership, so the amateurs, the constituants, the back yard bird man, can have a good resources, so the sport does not end,
i thank all of you who take the time, out of your busy lifes, to promote the roller. to be in office, to create a pigeon culture.
i can't live without my roller's, and i know all the amateur's i know cant either. thanks
rocky
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1508 posts
Jul 28, 2007
2:43 AM
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Hey Rocky, you are the man. At the end of the day, we are all just pigeon fools. I appreciate the freshness and honesty of your post, I will temper myself a little more.
Your post is one of the best I have seen in recent days. Welcome to the site and if there is anything I can do for you, let me know.
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donut*hole*spinner
2 posts
Jul 28, 2007
2:57 AM
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thanks tony, hey are u some god, or some thing, ha ha, your alway's on line... you respond quickly...hey, you know that your a pigeon man, when... you do crazy things for your pigeons... like calling sick to work. so you can run to the pet shop to buy medicine for one of your sick birds.... or you go out of your way, to see a kit flying in the distance, and then you start talking pigeon none sense to the kit's owner and your late to where you were going... ha ha thanks for adding me... thanks for all the hard work...
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smk
35 posts
Jul 28, 2007
5:46 AM
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are we going to be discussing these issues at the convention? i think it would be a good place with so many members in one place
smk
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nicksiders
1950 posts
Jul 28, 2007
6:34 AM
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Hey Rocky,
Welcome to the site. There will be good times here!
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Nick
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Velo99
1239 posts
Jul 28, 2007
7:03 AM
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It seems once again the EC is invoking its course of inaction and attempting to silence its members. Ken had the (moderated) fortitude to show his face and attempt to strike a blow. I salute you my brother!!
The issue has been turned from one of certain individuals alegedly breaking the law to one of persecution of the NBRC due to the lack of action by the EC. They are,or should be seperate entities. By the inaction of the EC it has escalated into the bloodbath we now have endured for three months. If 90 days isn`t enough time for the EC to reach a decision without consulting someones lawyer first, I think it is time for wholesale changes in the mindset of the way the NBRC is governed.
It isn`t about them it is about us.
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V99
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1474 posts
Jul 28, 2007
8:40 AM
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"By the inaction of the EC it has escalated into the bloodbath we now have endured for three months"
NO, you and others have escalated this discussion. No one else has. The media hasn't. President Bush hasn't. Rush Limbaugh hasn't. Your mother hasn't. The kid down the street hasn't. Just you and others on lists and forums bitching, bitching and bitching some more about things should be this way and things should be that way. You and I talked on the phone and I told you what was taking place. Nothing, and I mean absolutely NOTHING would be any different action or impression-wise with different EC members, different officers or a different president. The trumped up impressions you have of what the media thinks would still be the same.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM OR THE CLUB GOVERNMENT IN REGARDS TO THIS SITUATION!!!
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nicksiders
1952 posts
Jul 28, 2007
11:02 AM
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THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM OR THE CLUB GOVERNMENT IN REGARDS TO THIS SITUATION!!!
Why didn't I think of that? It is all there and it is good.
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Nick
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kcfirl
160 posts
Jul 29, 2007
1:24 PM
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Brian,
I couldn't disagree more. I feel very strongly that if our president had not been indicted for killing or attempting to kill BOP's, the media impression of our club would be different.
Regards,
Ken
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1476 posts
Jul 29, 2007
4:13 PM
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Ken, if you knew all of the facts surrounding this, you would probably draw a different conclusion. I'm not going to go into the specifics, but the targets were leadership on both a local and national level, irregardless of who that person's name was. Were you aware that a lot of this entire situation stemmed from the NBRC Convention? If you want to email me I'll give you a little insight into some of what the reality is.
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kcfirl
161 posts
Jul 29, 2007
4:26 PM
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Brian,
you're right.
I'm sure you don't have the facts either. I know enough. If the NBRC wants me to know more, I'm sure they will tell me.
Ken
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1534 posts
Aug 05, 2007
5:13 AM
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Hey All, is it wrong for NBRC members to have high expectations of their leaders, especially in times like these? No, in my opinion.
However, after saying that and having some time to cool down from all the rhetoric, I highly doubt that any of the current leadership had an inkling that they would be serving terms in office surrounded with such legal turmoil and issues such as they are now.
Personally I am going to cut all the club leaders some slack and pray that those wielding the awesome power of the US government will be tempered by the knowledge that many-if not most club officers and club members are good law-abiding citizens whose only true desire is to merely express and share their interest with each other and enjoyment the roller pigeon.
I will also actively promote the idea on this site that the NBRC as an organization and its leadership, has the responsibility to promote, expect and demand compliance among its members of the MBTA and other local governmental laws and regulations concerning the bop.
Therefore, at this point, I am leaning in the direction of voting for Cliff Ball for president as he is well aware of the issues and has extensive organizational experience, knows the battle he is getting into and still invites the challenge and responsibility it entails.
I want to thank all those who have served the NBRC with distinction and those whose intentions were good.
Let's allow cooler heads to prevail from here on out. A little less from all of us regarding whose responsibility all this belongs to and now try to be a part of the solution.
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Huey
59 posts
Aug 06, 2007
9:41 AM
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There is no one in Lufkin Texas including Fish and Game that has ever heard of Operation High Roller except me and I learned all I know about it from All Birmingham Roller Talk.
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Ballrollers
840 posts
Aug 06, 2007
7:28 PM
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Tony,
I just got word that someone who is very qualified for the position, and one of my mentors in the hobby, will be nominated and is planning to accept. If he does, I will probably bow out graciously. Let's see what happens. I will step up if need be.
Cliff
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J_Star
1109 posts
Aug 07, 2007
10:20 AM
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Tony,
That is the best thing said about the issues and the NBRC thus far and agree with you 100%.
Jay
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