kham89
1 post
Jul 23, 2007
10:53 PM
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So yea i got some birmingham rollers from thomas williams, its from the kumro strain but, i bred them and train the offspring but somehow the offspring arent doing good as the parent are, the dad can do a 20-30 and the mother 60-80, all the offspring are hitting 5ft, and arent improving and help would be good
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Shaun
522 posts
Jul 23, 2007
11:27 PM
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This is often one of the big disappointments with rollers - finding out that birds which were good in the air, don't necessarily produce good birds themselves. So, the way forward is that you either obtain better breeders (usually difficult to find and probably costly), or you take the long road of breeding plenty yourself, in the hope you'll find some which are both good in the air and, further down the line, breed as good as or better than themselves.
In the meantime, you can keep breeding from your original birds because they just might produce the odd gem. However, one of the hardest parts is ridding yourself of all the rubbish you'll breed as well.
Shaun
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Double R
49 posts
Jul 24, 2007
3:25 AM
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Kham,
Just a question how old are your young birds? Because they may just need time to mature.
YITS...Robby
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Santandercol
1260 posts
Jul 24, 2007
7:48 AM
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Welcome to a great website kham.If those are this years birds you are asking about,or even late last years birds,give them time.Good luck!!
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Kelly
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nicksiders
1916 posts
Jul 24, 2007
9:17 AM
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If the are young they may not be ready to do 30 to 60 footers. You also got to be feeding the right stuff and the right amount to turn on the full roll.
Welcome to the site.........I noticed this was your first post
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Nick
Last Edited by on Jul 24, 2007 9:18 AM
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Ballrollers
807 posts
Jul 24, 2007
10:07 AM
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Is this the Tom Williams of Kansas City? If so, you can forget it. They will not roll. Period. This guy is a rip-off.
Cliff
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kham89
2 posts
Jul 24, 2007
10:49 AM
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i got 6 squabs from the pair, i feed them 1 table spoon of feed each, i feed them milo and wheat 50/50. in november and december all 6 can be consider 1yr old.
yea the pair from tom william in kansas city
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nicksiders
1918 posts
Jul 24, 2007
12:40 PM
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Well, I think you got a handle on the feed. Make sure you have a flying schedule that will bring out the best from them.
Did you witness the adults doing the bing breaks or is that info that the breeder told you? It may be that the breeder was exadurating the performance.
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Nick
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kham89
3 posts
Jul 24, 2007
12:52 PM
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yea i fly them twice a day, 8am and 6pm and feed them once a day, but yea the parent me and my friend witness it, we flew them when we got them
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nicksiders
1920 posts
Jul 24, 2007
1:10 PM
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If you over fly them they will muscle up and become very athletic. Being very athletic, they will be prone to resisting the roll and it might explain the lack of depth. I would try flying them every third day or so for a while and see if that doesn't start to lengthen the roll.
A positive thing is that if you are not having rolldowns you have some stabilty in your birds.
Hang in there with them and make some modifications in what you're doing with them and take note if it is improving them.
Best to you.
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Nick
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W@yne
581 posts
Jul 24, 2007
1:56 PM
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Before you try to bring the birds down using wheat and milo alone remember you have to build the bird up before you bring them back down try give them a boost of peas to stimulate them into the roll 2 days before you fly them and you will see a difference that's if your birds have the motor like you guys say. Rest the birds for a couple of days before you kick them back out. Flying yearlings 2 times a day wont help.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Last Edited by on Jul 24, 2007 9:58 PM
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kham89
4 posts
Jul 24, 2007
7:48 PM
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for some reason my birds rarely rolls also, and the elevation they fly now is very low, is like the height of a 1 1/4 of a telephone pole
ill try to get a vid so you all can see, but yea one of my friend tell me to feed them milo straight to get them rolling, but i dont know about tat, any help would be good
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BlueJayLoft
2 posts
Jul 24, 2007
8:20 PM
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You need to consider the weather, if it is very hot and humid; the birds won't fly high and long. Also need to consider the molt. Are they losing their feathers heavily? If it is so, you need to give them Safflower mixed with their feed and wait until they are done with the molt. If that is not the case also, then you need to consider de-worming them. They might have worms’ infestation and you need to de-worm them by giving them worm medication. That will get rid of the worms and the birds will get the full benefit of the nutrition which will give them their strength back. Worms will cause the birds to have sore wing joints and painful for the birds to fly high and long. It is most likely that is your problem if the parents were not de-wormed when you got them or you had humid weather for a few weeks. If that is not the case, then you need to consider giving them more feed until they start not to trap fast enough then cut down the feed slowly. Change your feed to good pigeon mix @ 16% protein or higher for a week or so. If none of the above work for you, then start from the top of my post one more time.
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bwings82
1 post
Jul 25, 2007
6:44 AM
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Pick the best you go from Tom, and fly them in your kit. Now go and get a real roller friend that will help you start out right.
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nicksiders
1926 posts
Jul 25, 2007
7:18 AM
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Hey bwing,
Noticed it was your first post; welcome to the site.
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Nick
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