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Cliff brings up an important point
Cliff brings up an important point
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Mongrel Lofts
306 posts
Jul 27, 2007
10:35 PM
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Like Dave Szab said, your power is through your RD. If he is not discussing these issues with you and the other flyers in your region before he votes on these issues...you need to vote in a new RD, and make it clear to him that you expect your opinion to be represented, not omitted when the votes are cast on these issues. (How many of you even knew that your RD was discussing the policies that were passed and announced in the March-April Bulletin?)
Guy's,'
with the seriousness of what is going on, How do you feel about not having a vote but having to ask your RD to vote your way for you? Then he votes however he see's fit! We as members don't have a vote, only the RD in our region gets to vote on things as important as what is going on now. I find that very uncomfortable! Do any of you see a problem with our loss of voice and vote? The NBRC has taken all the power from the members and handed it to one man in your region, your RD. If he disagrees with 75% of the men in his region, his is the only vote that will be counted. Personally, I don't like it! I voted against it when it came up. I wonder if more of us wish we would have voted against that rule now. No vote for the members, all power to the EC. Does that make sense now?? KGB
Last Edited by on Jul 28, 2007 12:04 AM
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Tony Chavarria
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1509 posts
Jul 28, 2007
2:44 AM
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Cliff for President!
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Tony Chavarria
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1510 posts
Jul 28, 2007
2:44 AM
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OOOOPS!
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Tony Chavarria
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1511 posts
Jul 28, 2007
2:46 AM
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Cliff, I will try and call you in the next couple days to discuss our reform platform and how you can help us if you are interested.
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Ballrollers
825 posts
Jul 28, 2007
9:44 PM
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Thanks, Tony...I'd be happy to talk with you, as always.
Kenny raises a good point. HOwever it is not absolutely correct that power was "taken away from the members". The founding fathers of the NBRC merely used the representative system of government that runs our country, as the model for the organization of the club. Is the representative government system the best way to conduct the affairs of the NBRC? How efficient is it really? It certainly expedites things...it would not be very practical to print every issue in the Bulletin and then conduct a vote by the entire membership. It would take six months to get any decision made....there are basics in the operation of the organization that need to be handled more efficiently than that. However, with that in mind, that is why the EC has maintained the requirement for the vote of the entire membership on important issues like changing the fly rules. The problem goes deeper than that....there are many gaps, loop holes, and gray areas in policy. We are busy filling them, but there is a strong base of opinion among some men, that the solution is not more rules or clarifying existing rules...that we need to leave things up to the discretion of the men in charge of making the decision. Personally, I disagree with that notion. It only breeds inconsistancy, inaction, and discrepancy. The more the policies of the NBRC make it clear as to the course of action that must be taken, and the less we leave up to the interpretation of men, the better off we all will be.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Jul 28, 2007 9:47 PM
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kcfirl
157 posts
Jul 28, 2007
10:54 PM
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KGB,
I am more comfortable with my RD casting a vote than having all the guys in my regin vote. I don't think most members of the NBRC are well informed nor do the vast majority even vote when allowed to do so.
I think the current system works well, all things considered.
Regards,
Ken Firl
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Mongrel Lofts
308 posts
Jul 28, 2007
11:18 PM
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Ken F,
Point well taken. I think we should make at least 75% of all club members vote on any rule change. If you don't vote, you don't get another bulletin until you do, or something like that. I think we should hear from at least most of the people. Our rules should be directed towards getting the membership involved. Having just a few men, ruling over the many, is not working, at least for me. If your one of the insiders, its great! The people that were working for Sadam really miss him. I don't know the answer, but I would like to see it mandatory to vote to be a member in good standing with the NBRC. Do away with power to the top few. The members don't even know what the EC is voting on, until the rule or change is made or not. I understand you point though. You figure at least the guys most involved are voting. I think we need to get everyone more involved! Make it a requirement that members vote,, not an option,, Just a thought,, KGB
Last Edited by on Jul 28, 2007 11:21 PM
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Velo99
1242 posts
Jul 29, 2007
6:58 AM
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KGB,
Thats an easy fix, in theory.
With a little legal research and wording, it can be added to an actual membership application. Downloaded from the NBRC site to be filled out and mailed in.
It can contain a condensed "Code of Conduct", an agreement not to harrass BOP`s, and a promise to vote in all elections at the risk of being banned from the seasons Fall Fly for failure to do so. Signed by the applicant it will give the NBRC actual legal leverage to decrease the liability the club can suffer for the possible actions of rogue members as well as increasing the participation in the election process.
Just a thought
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Last Edited by on Jul 29, 2007 6:59 AM
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Newflyer
126 posts
Jul 29, 2007
7:12 AM
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HERE, HERE, HERE....I agree with Tony. I say CLIFF for President too.
Paul
Last Edited by on Jul 29, 2007 7:13 AM
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nicksiders
1965 posts
Jul 29, 2007
9:10 AM
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Paul, Paul, Paul!
How about Kenny or Kenny? Both are driven, but don't live far enough east to be president this term.
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Nick
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Gregg
122 posts
Jul 29, 2007
12:37 PM
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Hey Guys,
I am really liking the threads developing here. Some real thought about what we want from our next batch of officers. KGB can't be allowed to run though, he'd try to ban me and my pink pigeons.
Gregg.
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wafer kits
29 posts
Jul 29, 2007
12:37 PM
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Both Kennys are driven but I'm wondering who their chauffeur is? It would be nice if more people would vote in our national elections too but what kind of sanctions would we place on those who don't? Would the next step be tightening the noose on them if they don't vote the way we want? If you don't like those who represent you simply replace them with someone you trust. If you can't trust anyone, the problem is yours,not theirs.
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kcfirl
159 posts
Jul 29, 2007
1:22 PM
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KGB,
great idea in theory but if participation was a requirement, the club would only be 200 members based on the results I;ve seen in past elections.
Perhaps what you are suggesting is that a different kind of club is what is needed.
I don;t know the answer but I know that we have had issues here with the idea that " we should just let anyone in that wants to be in".
I know I sure didn't like the idea of a rapist, kidnapper, police assault felon coming over to my house. We actually had that situation for a while.
But the NBRC is all inclusive and as long as that is the case, it will be a club made up of a few who do all the work, a few more that are interested at least enough to vote, and the vast majority who really just don't care enough to sacrifice an iota of their personal resources to do a thing to help the club.
Regards,
Ken Firl
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