Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1514 posts
Jul 28, 2007
7:42 PM
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Now that we all know each others positions, how about we start talking about who is going to be our choice for next president of the club?
At this point, if Cliff Ball were to run and I had to vote now, I would vote for him. He lives on the east coast so he qualifies.
He has seen the inner workings of the club, he knows allot needs to be done and he is full of ideas and is still optimistic about the future. I like that.
I would like to do an online interview with him and other candidates through the live chat sometime and get their views on the club and OHR and what if anything they intend to do about it.
Would this be constructive?
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Electric-man
449 posts
Jul 28, 2007
8:03 PM
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Very! I could name a couple of others that I would trust in positions also! But I won't open that can myself!
Val
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rollerpigeon1963
183 posts
Jul 28, 2007
8:17 PM
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Tony,
I believe NBRC officers shouldn't be interviewed on the NBRC site. You yourself said you didn't know if you were going to renew your membership. Did you take your complaints or feelings to your RD or EC and get the ball a rolling? You know proper channels and chain of command. Like what would people say if I decide to ask for direction on how the RPDC is ran on a different site. Its not right!
Just my opinion
Brian Middaugh
Last Edited by on Jul 30, 2007 2:21 PM
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nicksiders
1956 posts
Jul 28, 2007
8:38 PM
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Cough-cough! I just spit my coffee all over the place.
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Nick
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George Ruiz
340 posts
Jul 28, 2007
8:51 PM
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Hi Tony
I am so happy that you have decided to roll up your sleaves and get to work on the things you feel would better the Club.
if there is anything I can help with drop me a email at g1ruiz@cox.net .
P.S. on the other tread the point I was trying to make was that the only way to implement change is through getting involved and following the precedures that are in place.
and thanks for all your hard work you do by having this site as a place people can seek help with the pigeons since thats what we all have in common and brings us together.
thanks George
Last Edited by on Jul 28, 2007 8:54 PM
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nicksiders
1957 posts
Jul 28, 2007
9:12 PM
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What about George? What about Paul? What about Scott? Lots of "what-a-bouts".
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Nick
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Electric-man
450 posts
Jul 28, 2007
9:19 PM
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Brian, I have nothing but respect for you! This is just a question, but which NBRC site are you talking about? The one I log on to daily, has like 3 post per month! I am faithful and check it out daily, but not alot of action!
I think it should be discussed on all forums, that way all the roller hobbiest are well informed!Their are members of the NBRC all over!Then when it comes time to vote, send notice to all the popular forums to go to the NBRC site to vote!
I was gonna question Tony about the chat line, why there? If we're not logged on at the right time, we miss the interview!It ought to be left on a forum so everyone can get a chance to view!
Once again these are just questions and no disrespect intended! Matter of fact, Brian, you are one that I would trust in office! I just feel the more we circulate the candidates credentials, the better the chances of getting the right person voted in! Hope somehow this makes since!
A "PROUD" to member of the NBRC,
Val
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birdman
352 posts
Jul 28, 2007
9:35 PM
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How about Nick???
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wafer kits
27 posts
Jul 28, 2007
9:36 PM
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Guys! I might be interested....how much money is in the treasury? Al
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Ballrollers
827 posts
Jul 28, 2007
10:33 PM
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I appreciate your confidence in me, Tony. I have been asked if I would consider running, by a number of men, recently. Bearing in mind that the next nominee must be from the eastern time zone, there are many men who are emminently more qualified to take the helm......if only they would step up. Therein lies the problem...in the World Cup as well. On the other hand, I have never been one to run from a fight. As the NBRC and the hobby have grown to an international and global entity within a society that is rapidly changing in many ways, I do not believe that the NBRC can continue to function, effectively, as it has in the past....as a sort of "brotherhood of men" with a common interest and common goals. Ours is a very diverse membership today, and the forces that would direct the course of events for the future of the roller hobby are equally diverse. I am an individual that is committed to change, as life around me changes. One of the basic philosophies of life that I have adopted is the comittment to actively engage in attempting to direct the changes that impact life, as best I can; rather than be at the effect of those changes that would be imposed upon me by my inaction. It has always been an operative and functional committment with my staff and any organizations in which I have been involved over the years in the profession of dentistry and in what I teach my family. However, change can be a fearful thing and disturbing to men who are comfortable with the status quo; with the way things have always been. That makes me a sort of thorn in the side...a pain in the arse, if you will, to the members of some committees and some organizations. Others see it as a refreshing and essential element in many situations. This may well be one of those situations where changes are needed. I don't know if the leadership and the membership of the NBRC are, yet, ready to embrace the changes that are required, though the recent events and response of members to those events, would seem to indicate that many are ready to do so.
Cliff
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kcfirl
156 posts
Jul 28, 2007
10:51 PM
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I don't know Cliff well enough. I kow I have seen some proposals from Cliff that I thought were in the right direction and others that in my personal opinion were ill-conceived. I also feel that he seems to go back and forth on some issues and is not always direct in his communication. That makes me uncomfortable.
The only person I know well enough from the Eastern region that I would vote for is Joe Bob Stuka. I spent a few days with him when he came out to judge one time and feel that he is honorable, direct, and knows the ins and outs of how th eflies and ploitcis in the club work.
Regards,
Ken Firl
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Ballrollers
828 posts
Jul 28, 2007
11:00 PM
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I agree, Ken. Joe Bob would get my vote, as well. But he is has expressed that he is not interested in the politics of pigeons to that extent. Maybe we can draft him anyway!
Cliff
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Mongrel Lofts
307 posts
Jul 28, 2007
11:07 PM
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I was going to vote for you cliff until I read that last post,, My gosh, two years of that? CHING GOW, All the pages of our bulletins won't hold the note from the presidents desk!! LOL KGB
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rollerpigeon1963
184 posts
Jul 28, 2007
11:56 PM
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Val,
I'm truly sorry about the way the new website is ran. I don't have any control over it at all. As a matter of fact! well lets not go there.
I also want to thank you for your trust in me to run for office. But again it will never happen even if I said I accept. Because of the bylaws for an officers.
If you have issues as a memeber of the NBRC they should be taken to the forum on the NBRC website and the proper chain of command. Not on another list to be bashed around. But on there own site so they can say they brought it to the members and what happened? If there is only 130 people who visits this site thats not even a fraction to the membership of the NBRC.
I just dont see good come from all of this when its done here.
And what does color have to do with a president?
Just my thinking
Brian Middaugh
Last Edited by on Jul 29, 2007 12:15 AM
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mkg
4 posts
Jul 29, 2007
12:06 AM
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Brian well said im glad to see that some one else sees things the way i do. It sucks to have your posts edited when you havent said any thing bad.There is some bylaws that have been kicked to the side that needs to be looked in too.
Last Edited by on Jul 29, 2007 12:21 AM
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mkg
5 posts
Jul 29, 2007
12:15 AM
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Nick i dont think it a project but there is some color in his birds but i dont think he breeds for it.He have some very good birds.
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nicksiders
1961 posts
Jul 29, 2007
1:52 AM
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How about Nick???
Russ,
You would be the only vote I would get(LOL)
How about Russ?
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Nick
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1515 posts
Jul 29, 2007
3:56 AM
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Hey Brian (rp63), as for visitor traffic, it all depends on the current topic. For example, this last week when it came to the current "hot" topic, this is the action on the site:
My published number of 150 unique visitors takes place during the normal slow uneventful days/topics of the normal management practices of feeding, watering etc, whereas topics like the most recent one skyrockets traffic way past the normal averages.
In my offer to advertise on this site, I went with the smaller average (150 unique visitors per day) so as not to give an advertiser a wrong impression of traffic. In others words, I did not hype and spin my numbers.
But as you yourself can see, the highest single day number of unique visitors we had this week was 1,082.
So what conclusion can we take from thiese numbers? That if the NBRC has 2000 members, then on an average day, we potentially communicate to about 15% of them (wow 80/20 Rule), however, on a "hot" topic, traffic pushes to just over 50% of the number of NBRC membership.
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My chat system is capable of doing live online interviews and log them to be published either online and/or in print later.
You or no one else has to sanction where an interview needs to take place, why cannot several organizations and interested parties conduct interviews with the potential candidates?
The more information and views disseminated by the potential candidates means the voting members can make a more informed choice.
To conduct a live online interview, we can have site members/visitors submit questions before hand which can then be reviewed by a special team of site members.
In any case, there are sufficient reasons to conduct an interview here.
Rather than a single member deciding where interviews should be conducted I think the choice is really up to the candidate/s and where THEY decide where they want their message to be heard.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Last Edited by on Jul 29, 2007 4:35 AM
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Electric-man
451 posts
Jul 29, 2007
4:19 AM
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I have to agree with you "T"!
Val
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1516 posts
Jul 29, 2007
4:32 AM
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"Tony,
I believe NBRC officers should be interviewed on the NBRC site. You yourself said you didn't know if you were going to renew your membership. Did you take your complaints or feelings to your RD or EC and get the ball a rolling? You know proper channels and chain of command. Like what would people say if I decide to ask for direction on how the RPDC is ran on a different site. Its not right!
Just my opinion
Brian Middaugh"
Brian, I won't respond to all of your post, The difference between RPDC and the NBRC is that RPDC started in 2001 is a privately owned BUSINESS with one of several important functions one of which is to discuss all roller related topics, the NBRC on the other hand founded in 1961 is a NON-PROFIT club representing the needs and desires of over 2000 members (me included).
They are 2 different kinds of entities serving to different purposes, I serve my customers and try to make them happy, this is best done when I provide something of value and they pay me for it. If I don't succeed, I go out of business.
The NBRC has 2000 paying members whos resources and good names are entrusted to a small group of hard working individuals to represent the needs and goals of that membership.
As for contacting my RD for problems or whatever, I have never needed to, although meeting, speaking and eating with Dan Galarza at a couple club meetings and flys, I can say he is a class individual and we are fortunate to have him putter all over 4 states to do his club duties. I am sure he knows how I feel by now.
He has access to and visits this site as I am sure several other RD's do. There are no secrets here. If RD's want to know what their membership is thinking or position on things then they just need to scan these pages. (that's value!)
My only real bitch bitch bitch has been that I felt for the club to maintain its integrity and the good name of its members, the current accused leadership should TEMPORARILY, I'll say that again: TEMPORARILY step-down until completely exonerated of the charges against them where they can then RESUME the duties.
Since this hasn't happened, I will stay in the NBRC (thank Nick for that) and work within the system to help elect someone I believe will do his best to fix our image problem and promote good, responsible, practical and smart flying (bop).
What in heavens name could be wrong with that?
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Check Out Our Pigeon Supply Store
Last Edited by on Jul 29, 2007 4:36 AM
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Ballrollers
829 posts
Jul 29, 2007
5:00 AM
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Nick,
I will not even dignify the absurdity of such remarks with a response.
Cliff
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nicksiders
1962 posts
Jul 29, 2007
6:34 AM
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Cliff,
Many of us know where you stand on color breeding so I don't expect a response from you. We don't pay his feed bill so he can do as he pleases to the birds; that is the attitude that prevails. I understand it................
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Nick
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Newflyer
125 posts
Jul 29, 2007
6:52 AM
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Well......Iam not short on words, when it comes to speaking my mind. But, on the other hand I don't open my mouth if I don't know what Iam talking about. As for Brian, Cliff and Tony. Really, if it wasn't for Tony and RPDC I wouldn't have gotten so involved in rollers. Many thanks to you. After having a chance to meet and talk with both Brian and Cliff personally this past weekend. I would have NO problem with voting for all 3 of these Men for any office of the NBRC. To me these 3 guys represent INTEGRITY, HONESTY,
COMPASSION and a TRUE devotion for this hobby and its membership. SO guys... you have my total support for the future of this SPORT. Now its time to go fly some birds..LOL
Paul
Last Edited by on Jul 29, 2007 7:09 AM
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wafer kits
28 posts
Jul 29, 2007
7:30 AM
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Well, I don't know any of these gentlemen well enough to vote them into office. Just because I met and liked a few of them doesn't mean I know all about them. It might be that some who are best qualified would not be interested in taking on a thankless job. My vote will go to the one whom I perceive to have the best agenda for improving our image in the public's eyes. To me, this is the most pressing issue and I meet people nearly every day who are totally fascinated with the birds and want demonstrations for their kids and//or clubs. Al
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rollerpigeon1963
185 posts
Jul 29, 2007
8:41 AM
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Tony,
Thanks for the numbers game but I know all to well about the numbers. The NBRC at its highest peak when I was running it with the forum, chatroom and the auction we would get on the average of 10,000 hits a day. You have to promote your site daily or the traffic will go down. And one way to promote your site is start a hot topic and keep it going. This will drag others in and once their in you have to keep them here with different options. Either chatroom, forums, the store, anything thing to add you to their favorites. Once they visit the site for a couple of times they get use to visiting it on a daily basis. Like me and and a few others we visit this site 5 to 6 times a day if not more. If I don't log in then I'm a unique visitor. Since my computer deletes my temp. folders and cookies everytime I close Internet explorer I'm counted everytime I come in here. Which is good. That is why I can vote more than once on the polls....LOL LOL
But for the past year I dont think traffic has increased {NBRC} except for people checking out any news about what happened or the Auction. I don't know this for a fact because I have nothing to do with the site except for email changes. I don't have access to the website or the numbers. I can't even add a photo or a auction donation. Loosing the chatroom really hurt the traffic and then loosing the forum. And once you loose the traffic people will go where they are use to going and be loyal in a since at the new site.
But there is a big difference between your site and the NBRC site. One is ran with money involved. In other words as a business. You have to please everyone. Even if there not a paying customer. While the other is ran as a group of a non-profit club. With just the interest of a few people.
All I was saying out of respect to the NBRC, allow them to put on the interview. But the more I think about it probably won't happen.
Tony with all due respect if I was to run for a office I don't believe I would do a interview here. For the exact same reason I wouldn't go to the NBRC forum and say should Tony have a new webmaster for his site.
What I would like to see from the new officers is to delete the EC. And regional directors post all there problems on a forum for everyone to see. This way each member would be able to see what the issues are and be able to speak there mind. And give the members back there voting rights. I know only a few people ever voted but if a person was able to vote on line or by mail. I believe they would get more people to participate. This is a small part of a big problem but you have to start somewhere. Because for the past 2 or 3 years I couldn't tell you who my RD was! Never get a letter a call or nothing about the issues of the NBRC.
Just my opinion
Brian Middaugh
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George Ruiz
341 posts
Jul 29, 2007
9:40 AM
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Brian you say you didnt know who your R.D. was?
Who's responsabilty is it to contact one or the other?
is it the R.D. that should contact every member and let them know they are the R.D. for there region ?
Or should the member already know since it is in the Bulletin and the member should have taken the time out to cut their Ballot out of their bulletin and fill it out and place a 41 cent stamp on it and send it back so their VOTE
will count.
do not take these questions in a negative way ,I just want to get a feel for how much a member(s) feel a R.D. or any other Elected officer has to do besides his duties he was elected to do.
Thanks George
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rollerpigeon1963
186 posts
Jul 29, 2007
9:42 AM
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Nick,
Man thinking like this is all that the NBRC needs right now. I mean can you see all the people with there hands in the air saying discrimination!!! Man I don't want to have any part of that!!! that sound more like a law suite more then anything.
Do you think if you made that a standard for the officers you dont think that would separate a lot of people within the club. You think there is turm-oil now wait until something like that is brought up.
If your going to do it for the officers then you have to do it for the members. If you do it for the members you think the membership will be up? do you think the club can survive on just pure breeders alone? Would there hot topics of color for traffic if there wasn't anyone allowed to join because of the birds they breed? Do you think the club would be able to support the fall fly without the help of these guys?
I will say this in my travels I probably seen at least 50% of the membership dabble in color. Some don't want to be exposed and some don't care.
Then if the officer is elected and then someone finds out they have a indigo in their loft whats going to happen? More turm-oil and impeachment?
There has been some great persidents of the NBRC who stood up and took on the challenge that had some color birds. Some had more than other, but one thing they did do is keep the club alive! Yes they might have had their spats but it wasn't nothing they could handle.
I remember of a club that you could only have a certain strain of birds. Where is that club today? And what about the other clubs that couldn't make it like the PFRC, IRC, and others. It takes people to stand up and promote the hobby to get it to grow. But once limits are set then the problems start.
Just my opinion not that it means much,
Brian Middaugh
Last Edited by on Jul 29, 2007 10:21 AM
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George Ruiz
342 posts
Jul 29, 2007
9:54 AM
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I agree colors have nothing to do with holding office.
If the person does a good job thats all that matters.
Thanks George
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nicksiders
1967 posts
Jul 29, 2007
10:03 AM
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Brian,
Sometimes my nievity even shocks me(LOL). Point taken and by the way, your opinion means a lot to a lot of us.
I know better then to bring up my little quirks and I apologise for that. What we are doing here is very important for the longivity of the NBRC and there is no time for issues that will not help in the effort.
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Nick
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rollerpigeon1963
187 posts
Jul 29, 2007
10:04 AM
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George,
Good questions but ones that are easy to answer. Regional directors are the promoters of your region. When I was RD for our region I was also the state director for the world cup and our state fly director. The RD in my eyes are to call upon everyone in his region and ask them to fly or donate to the cause. This will help the RD with "out of pocket expenses". I remember back in the late 90's a RD could spend up to $500.00 out of his own pocket. And that is why it was hard to find someone to take over the position.
Some people in your region don't have a computer. I know around here we had 45 fliers and maybe 4 had computers. And if you never contacted them they would be happy to stay in there backyard and just watch the birds and read the bulletins. But if a RD made contact with these people and really promoted the idea you might win a few people over to fly. And once they got there feet wet they would be more likely to keep flying. Or if the RD sponsored a mini lawn show for the entire region to raise money. And maybe have a raffle to go along with it. You don't think that would spark some interest in some of the new guys? Just last weekend a few of us got together at a mini fly and lawn show. Let me tell you it pulled in a few people from a good distance. It allowed others to get involved even if they didn't fly. They was able to help with their region.
I attend a fly last year where I judged a region. And one of the club members told me that he didn't have good birds but wanted to help any way he could. So he was incharge of the BBQ. Man he did a great job and there were more people in his back yard that day than any time durning the 11 days of flying. Fellowship!!! its a big part in our hobby. If the RD don't capitalize on this its a little tough on them.
George basically a regional director should be a promoter... make things a little easier on them when they can by having friends help him/her any way possible. The lawn show with raffle is a great idea. It allows new people as well as old to get together and have fun. And maybe get some birds to boot. A mini fly and raffle is another good idea. A BBQ somewhere in the center of your region with a raffle. Anything to get people together and rasie money for the cause.
Some ideas that will get your region back in the fellowship swing and maybe gain a few more fliers and in turn a few more members.
Hope this is what your looking for George
Brian Middaugh
Last Edited by on Jul 29, 2007 10:15 AM
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George Ruiz
343 posts
Jul 29, 2007
11:43 AM
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Brian
great answer only I believe that its also a members obligation to stay in touch with what is going on in the CLUB.
If a member pays 26.00 a year that comes out to $4.00
a Bulletin which probaly cost more then four dollers to publish. How about voting what about asking themselves what can I do to make our CLUB Better instead of asking what can the CLUB do For ME .
In our local area club being a member meant you had to devote a few minutes of your time to VOTE, PARTICIPATE, and stay up to date on whats going on in the CLUB.
Thats what being a member meant .
I know that 80% of the N.B.R.C. club members feel that paying 26.00 a year is enough but maybe it is maybe its not but I feel that being a MEMBER means a little more then just sending in your dues .
Also you are right about a R.D. coming out of there pocket for expenses ( Gas, printing flyers for upcoming events,postage stam ps)I use to send members in my Region invites by mail to participate in the Fall Fly and most didnt even have time to contact me and say NO
anyway I feel its a two way street if the MEMBERS expect more from their elected leaders then the LEADERS should expect more from the members.
George
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city-side-lofts
45 posts
Jul 29, 2007
12:01 PM
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well there is many people who would be a good candidate for the position but the question is if we choose he or she would they still do what they said they would or would they just play us into electing them so they can have control of this origination so thats just somethings to think about personally i would elect Kenny Billings because he is a well accomplished person in this hobby and out of it i think he would lead the NBRC into a great position and get it out of the hard spot it is in right now
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The man in black
city-side-lofts.piczo.com
Ben the bird man of Idaho
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Gregg
120 posts
Jul 29, 2007
12:23 PM
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George,
Keep hammering. Your making sense. Part of the problem is that with todays economy many have to work extra hours, two jobs, the wife has to work so you end up with more bills just for childcare. Twenty six dollars is a lot for many of them and they belong because they want the bulletin and want to maintain some sort of lifeline to the club. Believe me, if they had more time and more money, you would have more participation. I've been there so I know of what I speak. Just be a bit mindful of someone else's shoes before you pass judgement on them.
Brian and Cliff, boy I'd like to see both of you run. I have faith in both of you. You have had your feet to the fire and know what it means to feel the heat. Brian, You hit on something very positive when you said give this club back to the members. I could write a thousand words on that subject alone. And I'm sure that you already know what nine hundred and ninety eight of them are.
Nick, On a slightly humorous vein, "Vote for me, I promise a pink pigeon in every loft." Smile.,
Gregg.
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rollerpigeon1963
188 posts
Jul 29, 2007
12:45 PM
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George,
As of a few years ago the members feel as if they don't have a say in anything because all of that has been given to the RD. If you don't get along with your RD then things will amplify and you will have hard feeling because you cast your vote with the majority of the region. But if all the members had a say so in it then its not directed to the RD. See the RD has to live in the region with their members. And when you loose respect or cause hard feeling because YOU! voted different it makes things a little touchy in your region. This way it takes the blame off the RD and keeps the fellowship within your region. In other words it takes some of the heat off the RD. Like I said its hard for someone to stand up and take over the RD position because a few of these little things that have to face.
See when I said have the RD to get the members in their region to help out in some way. Either help with the show and set the cages up or be a driver on the Fly, any thing that will help out with the regions functions. Once you get a few people to help others will see the fellowship coming back and ask to help in some way... Trust me they see a good thing and they want it to continue.
George, to be honest with you with cyberworld around I rather do my talking on a forum or chatroom. I hate using snail mail!!! And that is why I think the new officer should have a way that we can vote from the website. All it would take is someone to sign in and cast a vote. Pretty simple and quick. If I have to get everything ready to mail and then take it to the post office to mail... it will probably never make it.
Being a member to me is being proud of something enough to be called a member. it's being a promoter at all times, if your a officer or not.
When you said:
"Also you are right about a R.D. coming out of there pocket for expenses ( Gas, printing flyers for upcoming events,postage stamps)I use to send members in my Region invites by mail to participate in the Fall Fly and most didnt even have time to contact me and say NO"
Don't forget about the phone bill, hotel bills, wear and tear on your vehicle and yourself, the money you would be out because of missing work. and the major part being away from your family while your gone. Using your vacation time to judge, or drive the judge around the region. It all has its tolls. But if you make face to face visit you will be more likely get someone to say yes I will fly this year!!! or they will say is there anything I can help with. Its easier to circle yes or no on a sheet of paper and forget it. And leave all the work on the RD..
If the members don't enjoy the fellowship your not going to get nothing more from them but the $26.00 a year. Just the plain facts there is the doers and the slackers in every region. You have to get the most out of them.
Brian Middaugh
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Mongrel Lofts
309 posts
Jul 29, 2007
12:50 PM
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Hey George,
If its not your RD's responsibility to contact the guys in his region and let them know about the issues they are voting on. The ones that only he knows about, then what the HELL is his job? WHO'S OPINION IS HE VOTING ON THE ISSUES OTHER THAN HIS OWN?
The EC should be open to all members to read and comment on the issues. I wonder why they keep such a closed door policy? POWER, we know better than the members, they are to dumb to understand what we are dealing with. We are just doing what is best for you, sit down and be quite!! IS THAT WHAT YOU SUGGEST? KGB
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George Ruiz
344 posts
Jul 29, 2007
12:53 PM
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Thanks Brian
I would like to thank you for all youve done in the past and in the future . And thanks for not taking my view as a attack I just want everyone to know there are two sides of the coin .
I agree that it should be a members club but if the members refuse to participate how can that ever be .
any way again thanks for your time and your advise .
Thanks George
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rollerpigeon1963
189 posts
Jul 29, 2007
12:55 PM
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Gregg,
I am not allowed to run for office this year. I believe a officer has to have a level head, and not one sided. They have to be a serious promoter and have the same working with them.......
Brian
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George Ruiz
345 posts
Jul 29, 2007
12:57 PM
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Kenny I am not suggesting nothing. I am trying to learn about how members feel about the way things are done so if the day ever comes where Im in a position to change something in the club I can attempt to implement change.
Is there something wrong with that Ken.
George
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George Ruiz
346 posts
Jul 29, 2007
1:00 PM
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Ken B. I also see that your good at pointing out problems , are you any good at finding solutions to them ?
George
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kcfirl
158 posts
Jul 29, 2007
1:17 PM
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In my opinion, what color a guys rollers are has absolutley nothing to do with a man's suitability for any job in the NBRC. Joe Bob knows rollers, he is a man of integrity, and knows the issues the club faces. That is all I know.
Regards,
Ken
PS. He's also retired = he possibly has time to do the job without taking away from his family or other commitments.
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rollerpigeon1963
190 posts
Jul 29, 2007
1:18 PM
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George,
The RD job isn't during the fall fly {Same with the president or other office}. Its a 365 days a week job. And when I say its a job I mean its a second job if you done it right. Back in the 90's our region was so large it was very hard to get to everyone so I would have each club have a meeting and then report to me anything they bring up that relates to my position. Like I would show up for the W/C in Ill. and then go to cleveland during the FDB fly and we would discuss what needs to be done or not. I would hit the 4 {Ohio} clubs during the state fly. And Indiana had there regions and then Joe Ringler would let me know what was going on.
George I don't look at nothing as an attack anymore all it does is cause hard feeling and makes for a long day.
But I'm like Kenny the EC topics should be posted on the site so all members can view what is being discussed. And give a certain amount of time for the members to leave any feedback they like. And have the RD's address those commits before the EC votes on any of the issues. Like say for example the EC decides to discuss flying time. They give a rough outline on what the topic is. Leave it posted for 8 weeks for the membership to leave commit. Now this will allow the RD's time to gather information and send it out to the members in there region. And give them plenty of time to get back with them. So the RD has an idea on what some of the members want. At the end of the 4 weeks have a date two weeks later on the new by-law or rule change. And then have a vote. This way its back to the members of the NBRC. And takes off a lot of heat towards of the RD's and EC members.
The biggest problem we had in the past we had rule changes and they wanted them changed so quickly they didnt have time to really think it out {my opinion} or give people enough time to get a grasp on what the topic is about. And there for no one really cared which way it went. If a member was given 8 to 10 weeks I think you can hash out a lot of problems and get things the way the majority of what the members want. And all the topics should be posted within the bulletins. This way everyone will be exposed to the topic. And that might get them to contact the RD's if they don't have a computer.
Brian Middaugh
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Alohazona
296 posts
Jul 29, 2007
2:41 PM
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Cliff,
I would vote for you if you were nominated.You seem to be very organized and passionate about rollers,and did an outstanding job for the fall fly....Aloha,Todd
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Otis
49 posts
Jul 29, 2007
3:53 PM
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Guys, Right now there's not a more deserving person to sit at the helm of the NBRC than Gregg Sale, unfortunately I believe Illinois is in the midwest, last time I checked. The post must be filled by a truly unselfish individual, which leads me to bring forth the name of Dave Szabatura who just ran one of the more successful World Cups and even satisfied the rest of the world's difficulties with the event. Not only has Dave exhibited an unselfish record of contribution to local, national and world roller events, but also has an exceptional fly record combined with a level, intelligent and sensible concern for the roller world and it's organizations! Otis
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Steve S.
76 posts
Jul 29, 2007
7:05 PM
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Hey Brian M and fellas,
My vote is for Scotty Rice if he will run.
Steve
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nicksiders
1973 posts
Jul 29, 2007
7:28 PM
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Send him an email and ask him if he would accept a nomination. If he will, then nominate him when the oportunity presents itself
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Nick
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